Relentless America Bashing

yes, give us americans alone. we have feelINGS!I cared when my dog died, it meant we got a new puppy, which are alot more fuyn to play with! i dont like bush either HES A COMPLETE MORON!@ gIVE US A BREAK YOU GUYS!We have to praticly run the world! we doent need trouble from you ENGLAND MONKEES!

. nice speech peter. said very good.in all serousness. I Ussually am not offended by you guys. But do take care of respecting eeveryone and the country which they live in! WE ALL LOVE PROG 

I didn't see much bashing In the Dark Matter thread, other than an offence made to my ancesters killing black Africans, but probably I'm too sensitive

As usual I don't understand much about the fuss being made. Read the thread again and tell me where the bashing begins and how it develops.

I'm not free of sin and will not cast a first stone, nor a second a third or a last.

believing a discussion about politics - religion or other potentially controversial subjects does not belong on a forum about prog-music is your good right. But then don't get involved in such discussions yourself, refrain from replying and smother such a discussion with silence, instead of an offencive-deffencive stance. Which will ultimatly lead to another reply, and so on.

On that particular thread i responded to an argument you made (about how americans died to rescue us from the nazi's, or something like that), which I did not think was apropriate, it was a foolish remark, and you where not the first to come up with that argument, so I thought it would be nice if I pointed that out. Maybe I was to harsh for your taste, then so be it (although the last sentence on that particular reply was not nescessary, and maybe shouldn't have been there).

Again we have a discussion about sensorship, cause that is what this is. Making a topic taboo (eg, the bashing of Amerika (not included in this taboo is bashing Mariah Carey, Phill Collins, Styx, other people on this forum on a more personal note, Music we don't like etc.)) this is the ultimate sensorship.

Of course the sheep will applaud you for your great idea, let's not bash America, but they don't understand that they'll be giving up the possibility of forming an own independant opinion. and learn/hear about other ways of thinking about a subject.

If we can't speak freely anymore on what we want to say, how much credibility will a forum have. Let's just stick to the "Keep Quiet" thread then.

What is bashing America????????????????????

Of course in any discussion people can get offended. Purposely intended or by accident.

I have no meaning of offending anyone, and if occasionaly I do, I'm sorry for that.

BAAA BAAA HERES ANOTHER SHEEP!!!

HERE, HERE PETER I AGREE, THIS IS A MUSIC DISCUSSION FORUM AND WHILE DISCUSSIONS ON MANY SUBJECTS IS WELCOME THIS AMERICA BASHING IS GETTING TIRING.

THE FACT IS ALL COUNTRIES MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS LOOKED ON FAVOURABLY AND MOST IF NOT ALL COUNTRIES,LIKE PEOPLE,ARE GUILTY OF TRANSGRESSIONS,INDEED,VARIOUS GOVERNMENTS OF MY COUNTRY,AUSTRALIA HAVE BEEN GUILTY IN THE PAST OF TREADING ON SMALL PACIFIC NATIONS IN ORDER TO PROTECT ITS INTERESTS SO FOR ME TO POINT THE FINGER AT THE U.S OR OTHER COUNTRIES FOR ILLS REAL OR PERCEIVED WOULD BE HYPOCRITICAL.

SO LETS JUST TONE DOWN THE ANTI US CRAP AND CONCENTRATE MORE ON THE THINGS THAT UNITE US SUCH AS MUSIC, HUMOUR AND REALLY DUMB JOKES!!

MY GOODNESS THERE IS ENOUGH TRAGEDY IN THE WORLD AS IT IS AT THE MOMENT SO LETS BE A BETTER UNITED NATIONS THAN THE CURRENT ONE.

EXCEPT FOR BRITAIN AND CANADA.... NOW THERE ARE TWO REALLY  STRANGE COUNTRIES

OOOOOOOOPS SOMEWHERE IN ENGLAND JIM IS ABOUT TO RELEASE THE ATTACK BADGERS

Q: HOW MANY AUSTRALIANS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHTBULB.

A: WHATS A LIGHTBULB?

Here we go again.

sighs..........................yawns........................ ..stretches.

As one who has never been frightened of running off at the mouth or keyboard I find all this unecessary. Why dont these people who are supposedly fed up with this so-called America bashing say so?

It seems to me that every fortnight or so, Peter stands up and informs us that "they are fed up with this" or "certain one's of the old guard are increasingly disappearing because of that"

Who the hell are these people Peter and why don't they speak up for themselves in "public" instead of muttering away in the background (cosy PM's?)?

I thought that discussion, in this area of the forum, about America at the time of the Elections was relevant-for those that wanted to take part.

I agree that this subject is less relevant now, but there will always be people like myself who will jump in with remarks, for comedy value!

Why aren't these people more forthright with their objections? I made a very silly post last week and Jim slated me for it-he was right and I apologised, frankly and fully in my opinion.I also apologised to the person I upset. I didnt feel humiliated or threatened, because whilst sometimes I behave like a child, I am actually an adult. Some of the adults here should try behaving like children occasionally -they might have fun. Fun, remember that?

I think some people should re-read the discussions about why people dislike Prog Rock. Strangely enough, it may be because they dont want to be associated with the legion of stuffed-shirts who listen to it!

And in the spirit of not bashing anyone I call you all to sing along with Pallas and hold your lighters aloft..

'All the world now, join hands as one..

The first time since the world has begun..

All the world, I'm calling you now. Join hands with me..

The first time since the world has begun..'

smell the cheese!!!!!

Reed Lover wrote: And what is wrong with Pallas?

Man, I'd forgotten how good an album cover that was and to top it all off, I like Americans too. The similarities between our culture and politics far outweigh our differences.

I do suspect however that what might drive many of these 'slanging matches' is that the UK used to be what America is now, A world power who is answerable to almost no-one. It didn't really work for us and subconsciously, I suspect many Britons wouldn't like a great nation like the USA to repeat those mistakes. In short, be proud of who you are but also be nice to people on your way up as you might meet them again on the way down.

Britain's empire was an active one. The British actually went and lived in the places we stole from its indigenous populations. We build railways, cities, trade routes, forced entire nations to speak English over their native tongues, think like westerners and if they didn't, we killed their men and then their women and children. We did all this and then asked the survivors to serve us our tea. Britain has nothing to be proud of in this respect.

As a result, we as a nation know from experience what the world looks like after losing your superpowers. It's a big playground with many pairs of eyes looking at you all saying the same thing 'Now for some payback'. That day might be many years from now and American citizens today my never see its nation's fall from power; but their children might. In the UK, my generation did.

I cannot speak for the many nations represented on this fantastic site but for me, it sometimes feels that, like many of the Eastern European countries in the last century, an iron curtain is slowly being built between the ancient, old and new world.

Anyway er...that Pallas album cover is great. 

sigod wrote:

'Britain's empire was an active one. The British actually went and lived in the places we stole from its indigenous populations. We build railways, cities, trade routes, forced entire nations to speak English over their native tongues, think like westerners and if they didn't, we killed their men and then their women and children. We did all this and then asked the survivors to serve us our tea. Britain has nothing to be proud of in this respect.'

Well, I'm with you on this, sigod, but this is how disagreements start. For many people our invading and raping of other cultures was 'helping' them and 'teaching' them how to be civilized, and to not live like savages. That is the old school take on the British empire.

It is ironic that Hitler was a great admirer of our empire and was inspired to strive for his own based on the model we had created. His vision was a world where Britain ruled the waves and Germany ruled the air, and together we went around kicking the arses of dark skinned people.

The comparisons with Nazi Germany are not flattering for Britain. The parallels between the Reichstag fire and 9/11 are even more shocking and inflammatory.

Sorry to stray off topic. Peace, goodwill and Pallas records to all men..