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    Posted: November 13 2004 at 07:06
Ok, im a newbie to prog rock.  Never really knew much of what it was really.  One of my all time fav songs is Pink Floyd's Echoes, very unique song to me, my fav floyd album aswel, Meddle.  A friend told me that if you like Echoes you probably like Progressive Rock.

So here I am, im starting to get into it.  Gave Foxtrot a listen (never listened to it, not my generation, insert insults here), Found Supper's Ready was pretty good, kind of song that grows on you, also liked Time Table.  Im currently listening to a few other prog albums to try and discover some songs I like but there are sooo many.

So now I pose a question to the veterins out there, Echoes being a reference point as to the type of song I like (long, flowing, changing, epic).  What other prog rock songs/bands would I like?  (please dont just post a bunch of 15min+ songs that are semi good considering their size)  im talking "classics".  I am patient with songs, trust me, im not the (one listen, then decide) type, I give songs time and many listens to see if a song grows on me, im also good at pulling the deeper meaning out of some of the more poetic/seemingly cryptic type songs out there, so anything is fair game.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 07:18
try shine on your crazy diamond by pink floyd. i find that it kinda sums up prog in one. also check out the "what is prog" section and it is broken up into sections with the best albums, try downloading some of the mp3s on the site.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 07:35

I would suggest starting with Fragile or The Yes Album (Yes) and In the Court of the Crimson King (King Crimson). Both have longer songs, lyrics well worth studying, and are some of the essential classic albums of the genre.

Oh, welcome aboard, by the way



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 07:45
Hi, and welcome indeed to your new addiction

Since you've admit you like both Floyd and Genesis, I can say that you're halfway there! These two groups constitutes the main two influences, though you should maybe include (as an influence) Yes, Camel and King Crimson (maybe also Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant and Van Der Graaf Generator).

I can imagine that you are overwhelmed by the sheer amount of prog that's out there. But, if you'd look at some of the 'all-time-lists' around the net (e.g. the top 50 of Progarchives is a good start indeed), you will see the same names popping up. Check the nearest libary for updating your Genesis, Camel, Yes, Pink Floyd, Marillion, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Eloy, Caravan, Barclay James Harvest, ELP, Gentle Giant, Kansas, Supertramp, Rush, Saga, etc. etc. As a rule, remember that their output in the seventies were better than of the eighties.

However, the eighties delighted us with mentioned Marillion, and also IQ, Pendragon, Pallas, and a lot of so-called neoprog-groups. Many of those bands are still around, and their nineties-output is sometimes even better.

By now, we are in a 'third-generation' progrock-decade, and music is varied and beautiful. Substyles are too many to mention. Important names are Spock's Beard (or Neal Morse right now), The Flower Kings, Porcupine Tree, Arena, Dream Theater, Echolyn, Anekdoten, Galleon, Magenta, Glass Hammer, Jadis, Threshold, Ayreon, Iona, Mostly Autumn, Moongarden, Riverside, RPWL., Timothy Pure, Sylvan and quite a lot more of those.

In this time and ago, especially this year, we are overfed by brilliant progreleases, and you should therefore check some yearlists, like on http://www.dprp.net/dprpoll/index.php which will give you a good insight on the 2003-1997 'classics'.

Of course, what the main progfan likes, is no guarantee. But I think you'll develope your own taste easily enough through this. And remember: all this music (some of it nobody is aware of) was made out of love, especially for you!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 08:01
if you like a heavier approach try dream theater. something from images and words or scenes from a memory should do good. they are a great prog band and fairly easy to get into. they are more recent and prolly easier to tackle then most other prog bands.
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My first prog album was "In the court of the Crimson King", which I highly recommend for anybody making its way in prog-rock.

If you like epics, you might try and listen to Yes. "Fragile" is an incredible album, but doesn't contain long songs. It's successor, however, "Close to the Edge", is an album you'll adore. And when you're totally into Yes, give "Tales..." and "Relayer" a chance.

Pink Floyd also has some albums containing "long" songs. Try "Atom Heart Mother" and "Animals".

Hope I helped and good luck!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 09:10

Originally posted by Lateralus Lateralus wrote:


So now I pose a question to the veterins out there, Echoes being a reference point as to the type of song I like (long, flowing, changing, epic).  What other prog rock songs/bands would I like? 

Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn part I or II

Transatlantic - All of the above or Duel with the devil

Jethro Tull - Thick as a brick part I or II or Baker Street Muse

ELP - Tarkus

Roy Harper - The game (pts 1-5)

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 10:37

The most popular(what we call 1st tiered) progressive bands out there are:

1. Pink Floyd(Its all good)....try Animals if you haven't yet

2. Yes(71-74)...my suggestion would be Close to the Edge

3. Emerson, Lake and Palmer(70-73)...try Brain Salad Surgery

4. Genesis(70-77)...you're already at a starting point here but you really can't go wrong with any other Lp from this era as well

5. Rush...try out 2112

6. King Crimson(69-74)...In the Court of the Crimson King

7. Jethro Tull (Thick as a Brick Lp)

Start with any of these

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 10:47

As you will note... ask a question like that around here and you'll get lots of advice... hope your wallet can afford it... or that you have a great download location..  I'd go with:

King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King  (a must for any beginner prog fan)  but if you like Meddle, you might also like KC's Red or Larks Tongue

ELP - Any of their first 5, but my favorites - Brain Salad Surgery, Tarkus, Trilogy

Yes - Close to the Edge

Pink Floyd - Animals & Wish You Were Here

There are quite a few threads here that deal with Pink Floyd soundalike bands that are around now.. like Porcupine Tree or Radiohead.  Do a little research around here and you'll be up to snuff in no time...

Have fun!!

Ohhh and just for information... some women do like prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 10:51
can't add much more, though if you're on a budget
you might like to invest in some best ofs
but maybe Tull would initially be best represented by
MU - The Very Best of
Floyd by Echoes (though pretty much any album
between 71 and 83 is worth the full purchase price)
There must be ELP, Gentle Giant, Marillion, Yes etc
best ofs out there. Actually might benefit from a
couple of those myself... particularly ELP and Gentle
Giant.
any best of suggestions anybody?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:10

I can't tell you about Gentle Giant.. but I can ELP

I think the best ELP "Best of " cd would be "The Atlantic Years"... its one of the only ones to give all 3 Impressions of Karn Evil 9... and you need all 3

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:20
cool, I've never been a big ELP person, thanks in part
to purchasing a battered old vinyl copy of Pictures at
an Exhibition and largely disliking it, but reading
other people's opinions here has convinced me
there must be more to them than that dismal record.
Please tell me I'm right!!???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:29
cheers, will sample... just been on amazon, there's a
double CD Anthology which has the 3 impressions
looks good, 15 quid, here comes the credit card...
doh!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:30
tell a lie, it's a 3CD thing, can't go wrong with a triple
album can you? unless it's Prince's Emancipation
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:38
Whats the title of it??  Is it the Ultimate Collection?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:39
just called Anthology
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:45

The only "Anthology" ones I know.. only have Karn Evil 9, 1st Impression, Pt. 2 on it...and its only 2-cds.  The Ultimate collection has 3 cds.. but one is live from the 90s.. and the order is all screwed up.

Anyway... if you see this one... my advice is to get it..

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:48
right, that's the one then, can't be doing with rubbish
extra live albums. I take it that's the Atlantic Years
one you've pictured
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 13 2004 at 11:58
Yes...
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