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    Posted: May 21 2023 at 03:16

 3 stars 1975: The Dictators - Go Girl Crazy! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6UaXiAStc
 3 stars 1974: New York Dolls - Too Much Too Soon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw_xKn44oiw
 2 stars 1976: Ramones - Ramones - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__7ihOpmOQc
 3 stars 1976: Jonathan Richman & the Modern Lovers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqdpCBJqPDw
 3 stars 1975: Patti Smith - Horses - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kuyNvpWSsA
 3 stars 1973: Sparks - A Woofer in Tweeter's Clothing - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WILj-tnz56s
 2 stars 1976: Sparks - Big Beat - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nWav0mn4OQ
 3 stars 1975: Split Enz - Mental Notes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emfK0ovEzjs


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - May 21 2023 at 06:23
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The best here as far as I know them are Horses, Station to Station, and Kimono my House. Vote for Patti Smith.
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I should maybe have voted for Aladdin Sane. But I do love those earliest Sparks albums, and gave it to A Woofer in Tweeter's Clothing instead. That and their 1971-debut Halfnelson (reissued as Sparks the year after) are probably my two favorites by them. Just brilliant:
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I wouldn't call any of those albums in the list "New Wave"Wacko

Unless New Wave means Glam/Glitter in PP's vocabulary. Ermm
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Bowie,Eno, Sparks listed materials are imo not 'early new wave' ... influences perhaps
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Brian Eno : Another Green World
Bowie : Station to Station
Voted Eno
I remember the somewhat 'naive' first Jonathan Richman
and the weird look of Split Enz (neo-glam perhaps ?)
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call any of those albums in the list "New Wave"Wacko

I suppose Art Rock would be the more common term for that era of Bowie, Sparks Eno, but as "we" often talk about Proto Prog and Proto Punk, early Sparks surely must be Proto New Wave. 
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I also wondered whether the term new wave was applied to anything before 1976, but on Wikipedia I found:
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As early as 1973, critics including Nick Kent and Dave Marsh were using the term "new wave" to classify New-York-based groups such as the Velvet Underground and New York Dolls. In the US, many of the first new wave groups were the not-so-punk acts associated with CBGB (e.g. Talking Heads, Mink DeVille and Blondie), as well as the proto-punk scene in Ohio, which included Devo, the electric eels, Rocket from the Tombs, and Pere Ubu.
One can argue about some of the acts on the list, but Paul isn't totally off according to this.
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Station to Station closely followed by Here Come the Warm Jets.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call any of those albums in the list "New Wave"Wacko

I suppose Art Rock would be the more common term for that era of Bowie, Sparks Eno, but as "we" often talk about Proto Prog and Proto Punk, early Sparks surely must be Proto New Wave. 


Art Rock in central Canada (Mtl/Tor) was for Genesis, ELP, Yes, etc...

Bowie/Roxy/Sparks were definitely Glam/Glitter for anyone in North Am.

Of course bad revisionism... Dead


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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I also wondered whether the term new wave was applied to anything before 1976, but on Wikipedia I found:
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As early as 1973, critics including Nick Kent and Dave Marsh were using the term "new wave" to classify New-York-based groups such as the Velvet Underground and New York Dolls. In the US, many of the first new wave groups were the not-so-punk acts associated with CBGB (e.g. Talking Heads, Mink DeVille and Blondie), as well as the proto-punk scene in Ohio, which included Devo, the electric eels, Rocket from the Tombs, and Pere Ubu.
One can argue about some of the acts on the list, but Paul isn't totally off according to this.



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By 73 (or 76), VU was anything but "new" and if the Dolls were, it was because of the N or NYC.


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call any of those albums in the list "New Wave"Wacko

I suppose Art Rock would be the more common term for that era of Bowie, Sparks Eno, but as "we" often talk about Proto Prog and Proto Punk, early Sparks surely must be Proto New Wave. 


Art Rock in central Canada (Mtl/Tor) was for Genesis, ELP, Yes, etc...

Bowie/Roxy/Sparks were definitely Glam/Glitter for anyone in North Am.

Really? Art Rock is something primarely I associate with Sparks, 10CC, Bowie, Roxy Music, XTC... but I'm not from central Canada or North America.
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^ (@Sean Trane) I see you have some background knowledge here that I don't have. Shocked But genre tags in pop/rock music are quite generally made up and established by journalists and then amplified in some kind of echo chamber, regardless of  their human qualities...


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I wouldn't call any of those albums in the list "New Wave"Wacko

Unless New Wave means Glam/Glitter in PP's vocabulary. Ermm
I'll call it Proto New Wave then. Tongue

Anyway, at least it's sparked a glittery debate and while I'm here I'll cast my vote for Station to Station from David Bowie's golden years. Smile
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A bunch of reference works here, but between Bowie, Eno and the Sparks I go with that album that recently got my new admiration: Split Enz's Mental Notes.

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Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

Bowie,Eno, Sparks listed materials are imo not 'early new wave' ... influences perhaps
 

And it's surely good to distinguish between a genre and its influences.
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In my book concerning the years 1973-76:

David Bowie - Glam Rock
Brian Eno - Art Rock
Iggy and The Stooges - Proto-Punk
New York Dolls - Glam Rock / Proto-Punk
Ramones - Punk Rock
Patti Smith - Proto-Punk
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Sparks - Glam Rock
Feels to me like a very simplistic way of labeling early Sparks. I think they use glam just like any other style of rock for their own amusement. To me they were glam rock much like Roxy Music and David Bowie were. As in not really.
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The earliest forerunners of new wave were Sparks first album (as Halfnelson - 1971), Roxy Music's debut (1972) as well as David Bowie, Iggy Pop and Briano Eno. So if you want to do this poll justice you should extend to 1971. However new wave is a more pop oriented cousin of post-punk so you could actually go back as far as The Velvet Underground and The Monks in the mid-60s (some do but i wouldn't.)

Also anything from 1976 such as Sparks' Big Beat is considered bonafide new wave not proto.


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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

The earliest forerunners of new wave were Sparks first album (as Halfnelson - 1971), Roxy Music's debut (1972) as well as David Bowie, Iggy Pop and Briano Eno. So if you want to do this poll justice you should extend to 1971. However new wave is a more pop oriented cousin of post-punk so you could actually go back as far as The Velvet Underground and The Monks in the mid-60s (some do but i wouldn't.)

Also anything from 1976 such as Sparks' Big Beat is considered bonafide new wave not proto.
Okay, maybe I should change the poll title to "Bonafide Early Proto New Wave Albums" to cover all the bases, but then again, I'm never going to please everyone all of the time, or even anyone any of the time. Tongue 


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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

I go with that album that recently got my new admiration: Split Enz's Mental Notes.
 
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As one of my all-time favorite albums, I vote for that one too.
 
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