Massive Progressive - YouTube Channel

moshkito wrote: Atavachron wrote: Interesting format, a bit rough but not bad, you still have some things to work out--  approach, themes, content, what works, etc.  And that fake English accent really has to go ... ... I'm kidding Hi, My only comment, so far, is the start is awful ... specially for "progressive" listening folks ... it is totally conventional, and not even interesting in my book. All bands, right or wrong, have to have their chance, but showing this up top as "progressive" is misleading and not a good idea. I'll come back and check out the rest of the video, but that first one turned me off. Sorry to sound bad, but I believe "progressive" is valuable and important.

Cheers, Atavachron. Yeah, the voice is a bit bleh, cause it was just a bog standard phone recording and such and I'm new to the whole "content creation" scene, so I'm hoping the next stuff I do is improved :D

I am a bit confused as to how it is misleading, Moshkito. I am always open to constructive critisism unless you're going by the logo and the bands featured aren't traditional prog like Yes, Caravan etc. The last thing I want to be is misleading . I'm still finding my feet in this sort of thing :D

Agreed, I say it's out of character for him, but it's not, he's like that with everyone, just ignore him.

Logan wrote: I don't understand what Pedro's concern is. Hopefully he will spell things out (the term progressive has various definitions). I know Amoeba Split pretty well. I liked it. As said, some better equipment and mixing (I want to be able to really hear excerpts from the music, and maybe hold off on narration when playing key moments). If I were you I would release it in podcast form as well (audio only -- create rss feeds). I wouldn't want the music to sound ambient throughout, but really be highlighted from acts in a punchy ways. Right the now the background music isn't really working for me. Themes/ categories for the episodes would be nice (those can be in youtube playlists of course), and if it gets bigger, a website. I don't much listen to music podcasts or youtube vids about music, but this site on horror which does a podcast might be somewhat inspirational for its style of doing series of topics: https://www.evolutionofhorror.com/ If I were doing a Prog and related music one, then one week I might want to do video essays on different facets of Prog, which might require a lot of research -- one on the Rock in Opposition Movement for instance. One on Canterbury Scene etc. A special on new progressive rock bands, and if I were doing it, one on the heroes of Prog (in other words, the personalities at Prog Archives). ;) I have planning to do a podcast and video channel for ages. Once you build and can start getting guests and interviews it would be very, very good. I tend to favour ones with a couple of hosts or a host and a guest (but again, I'm not so into the music ones). I do like to hear some banter. Takes while to really get into the swing of it, I think, but it sounds promising. Good luck (all this from me being the highly questionable notions of a non-creator)

^ Pedro, what would you consider to be some of the most progressive current bands and artists? Or at least quite "modern". Of course sometimes Progressive just refers to an umbrella of styles (more of a noun than adjective progressive). With a little description for the channel then hopefully that will avert some confusion about how the progressive term is used -- still an issue of contention at this site that regularly comes up (but I think a lot in the so-called Prog community would get it without needed lot of explanation). I don't care that much generally how someone uses a term as long as I understand how thy are using it, and that when I use a term, the other understands it so that we can communicate our ideas. In a way we each speak our own language that is somewhat unique to us as we bring in so many different connotations, nuances and experiences -- hopefully we try to keep an open mind and are quite tolerant if others have different perspectives generally.

MassiveProgressive wrote: Logan wrote: I don't understand what Pedro's concern is. Hopefully he will spell things out (the term progressive has various definitions). I know Amoeba Split pretty well. I liked it. As said, some better equipment and mixing (I want to be able to really hear excerpts from the music, and maybe hold off on narration when playing key moments). If I were you I would release it in podcast form as well (audio only -- create rss feeds). I wouldn't want the music to sound ambient throughout, but really be highlighted from acts in a punchy ways. Right the now the background music isn't really working for me. Themes/ categories for the episodes would be nice (those can be in youtube playlists of course), and if it gets bigger, a website. I don't much listen to music podcasts or youtube vids about music, but this site on horror which does a podcast might be somewhat inspirational for its style of doing series of topics: https://www.evolutionofhorror.com/ If I were doing a Prog and related music one, then one week I might want to do video essays on different facets of Prog, which might require a lot of research -- one on the Rock in Opposition Movement for instance. One on Canterbury Scene etc. A special on new progressive rock bands, and if I were doing it, one on the heroes of Prog (in other words, the personalities at Prog Archives). ;) I have planning to do a podcast and video channel for ages. Once you build and can start getting guests and interviews it would be very, very good. I tend to favour ones with a couple of hosts or a host and a guest (but again, I'm not so into the music ones). I do like to hear some banter. Takes while to really get into the swing of it, I think, but it sounds promising. Good luck (all this from me being the highly questionable notions of a non-creator) Thank you so much for a the feedback. I do want to highlight the music of the bands featured, but being small I wouldn't want to get it copyright struck and be taken down, but I'm sure it's easy to sort of work around. The sort of "intermission" music is just royalty free music, which is why it's not...great lol. I have a bit on idea for the next video, focusing on a single album this time but delving into the history of it and then looking into what it became and talk about it as well as other ideas in the pipeline. Ideally, I'd like to review albums, talk about the history of bands, the genre, maybe some album rankings etc I'll get there sooner than later I hope. A learning curve that I hope to improve by day. Very much appreciate the foodback again

Glad if I can help to think of some ideas -- how feedback often can help I find is someone offers feedback, then the one requesting feedback thinks about how those ideas wouldn't work, and then one just does one's own thing more confidently (at least it sort of works that way with me -- like ask advice and then ignore it...). ;)    

I thought that would have been the case with the music -- I would think that you could probably get away with using music snippets generally when it comes to fair dealing / fair use laws (you'd have to look to also youtube policies on that. I do know some people have had videos removed due to using music. I would expect/ want the music in the background playing in the video to be by the act that I am highlighting at the time -- using other music could confuse listeners and if not that great, take away from the aural experience. As you say, there are risks and it can be worked around, but some have been surprised to have videos taken down (and have contested it).

That sounds like a great idea for your next video. You can never really run out of ideas, and if were to make them, it would largely be about how can I make them well and efficiently without getting into too much trouble. There area lot of little known acts who I expect would like to be interviewed even if your channel is not a name yet, but contacting and arranging can be a hassle (we could make something of a creators hub here at Prog Archives -- much more than has happened, where we could help each other out with these kinds of things).

I'll listen to whatever comes next, I enjoyed your video as is (and I'm not someone who particularly likes the ultra slick ones). Other than listening to music through youtube, I mostly have been using it for real life police dramas such as dude gets drunk, makes an ass of himself, and gets arrested, your channel will make a change from that.

Maybe when or if I get my channel going, if you aren't too big for it, we could collaborate on one. I really have to start setting some new challenges and creative goals for my life (I don't like the sound of my voice, but I can deal with that as long as an audience can).

Edited by Logan - April 19 2022 at 18:00

MassiveProgressive wrote: moshkito wrote: Atavachron wrote: Interesting format, a bit rough but not bad, you still have some things to work out--  approach, themes, content, what works, etc.  And that fake English accent really has to go ... ... I'm kidding Hi, My only comment, so far, is the start is awful ... specially for "progressive" listening folks ... it is totally conventional, and not even interesting in my book. All bands, right or wrong, have to have their chance, but showing this up top as "progressive" is misleading and not a good idea. I'll come back and check out the rest of the video, but that first one turned me off. Sorry to sound bad, but I believe "progressive" is valuable and important. Cheers, Atavachron. Yeah, the voice is a bit bleh, cause it was just a bog standard phone recording and such and I'm new to the whole "content creation" scene, so I'm hoping the next stuff I do is improved :D I am a bit confused as to how it is misleading, Moshkito. I am always open to constructive critisism unless you're going by the logo and the bands featured aren't traditional prog like Yes, Caravan etc. The last thing I want to be is misleading . I'm still finding my feet in this sort of thing :D

moshkito wrote: ...To me, the saddest side of it all is the title of the show ... and I can't help thinking about how words and letters are so meaningless these days to be taken so .... (not saying it anymore with respect to the band and the artistic attempt at creating some ... for public consumption.)

Sorry snipping (it would take me an hour or more to try to come up with a half-way interesting or compelling, coherent and detailed response to all you said).

It seems to me that an issue, I think, is that it seems you didn't get "past" your issues with the title when being critical I think progressive is a thorny word, and you (and I have my own) have a lot of personal history and baggage about it (I don't mean that in a bad way) which is I think very unique to you in this community. I understand that he (Scott) will want to use a channel name that is associated with so-called Prog and lots of names already will be taken -- I often call it so-called Prog because it is a nebulous. amorphous and dynamic term that changes over time, over place, over person and over context. I do think when being critical of others content, especially someone new or someone new-to-you, one should try to more diplomatic (while also being sincere) if being critical and to makes ones points extra clear (something I fail at) as one can't expect them to understand quite the perspective you have, or where you are coming from without really detailed explanations, and of course you don't know quite where the other is coming from and part of is is trying to figure out what that person's intent is in order to help them on their terms. It can just confuse others and come off as needlessly negative (first impressions and all that).

One needs time to dig deeper to try to get to understand different perspectives and personalities and individual reasons for doing and saying things.   But of course a critique should also come from a place of trying to understand the intent of the person you are critiquing. It might have helped had you actually watched and paid attention to the content of the video to see what bands were being mentioned and how that was being approached. I asked specifically about what recent modern acts you would consider progressive because that video is about three obscure modern progressive ones off three different prog styles. The first is progressive metal band called AUTUMN HOUR (I had not heard them), the second is A FOOL'S ERRAND which is a kind of post-rock band (I didn't know them) and the third is AMOEBA SPLIT, which is a a kind of modern Canterbury sound, jazz-rock from Spain (in this case I do know the band and have rated those albums highly). I don't see much relevance of hits and a lot of stuff you talk about when it comes to the content, and I thought you told me before that we should be supporting the progressive (whatever that is) and I thought you would be more encouraging of someone highlighting quite recent, lesser-known acts. Maybe I am getting a bit confused with your response (there is a lot to unpack and I would rather have focused on specifics of the video itself and avoid vague generalisations that may not be very relevant to the video and channel and not potentially helpful and may be discouraging to Scott).

Look beyond the headline (although obscure is in the title of the video so I would have expected that to play into you post, but when it comes to the channel name). It's okay to mention issues one has with the concept, and dig a little deeper. I appreciated the video and look forward to more from this person -- of course it's a start and there is room for improvement as Scott has mentioned himself about the video.

* It didn't come across to me, and it's no sympathy vote, I'm being completely sincere. I don't think that Moshkito (Pedro) has seen your video, and those are generic issues for him that he often brings up regardless of the content I would say.   By the way, I have generalised and social anxiety, so any kind of a collaboration would take me outside of my comfort zone -- I lack confidence around people I don't know well and generally feel socially awkward.   I'd probably want to push myself at first just to do what you are doing and see how that goes. I chickened out of joining a podcast quite some years ago and very much regret it.

It's great that you are thinking ahead, and I tend to think why dream little when you can dream big? The only problem with my big dreams is that they never lead anywhere (which annoys my wife immensely), and well, they aren't always practical.

Good luck, and have fun with it. I'd love to have that sort of thing as a hobby, and if I could make a little pocket money on the side via Patreon and ads; fantastic.