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Can was a German experimental rock band formed in 1968. The band blended elements of psychedelic rock, funk and noise on influential albums such as Tago Mago(1971) and Future Days(1973).
Despite being a German band, Can enjoyed international success and critical acclaim.

Can has been influential with later groups. They may have been called progressive before progressive was cool

Their album Future Days was particularly noteworthy as it made Rolling Stones 50 Greatest Prog Albums of All Time (2015) and several other prestigious best of lists.


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I have found that over the years there seems to be quite a number of peeps who are unaware of PA being both a forum and a database. I’ve come across many forum folks who’d never ever seen the frontpage let alone any of the reviews…as well as frontpage peeps who know nothing about the wild mudwrestling on offer over the forum.
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Originally posted by jamessavik jamessavik wrote:

Can has been influential with later groups. They may have been called progressive before progressive was cool
In regards to music the term "progressive". It never went from being an uncool term to being cool. I wasn't around back then, but I know why Bath Festival of Blues changed it's name to Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music from 1969 to 1970. Progressive music was the sh*t back when the term first came to use.

John Lydon writing I Hate on his Pink Floyd T-shirt (while he secretly still loved them) tells you everyting about the status of ambitious rock had a few years later. If you wanted to be cool in the late 70's you had to hide your Yes and ELP-albums. Krautrock has grown in hipness for every decade that has passed since Can's string of classic releases though. Perhaps that is what you are thinking about?

Other than that, a great band - one of my personal favorites. I think even those who don't really like them are fully aware of their music and existence here on these boards.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have found that over the years there seems to be quite a number of peeps who are unaware of PA being both a forum and a database. I’ve come across many forum folks who’d never ever seen the frontpage let alone any of the reviews…as well as frontpage peeps who know nothing about the wild mudwrestling on offer over the forum.

I agree, but it's a newbie, let's give him a break, maybe he'll come around. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have found that over the years there seems to be quite a number of peeps who are unaware of PA being both a forum and a database. I’ve come across many forum folks who’d never ever seen the frontpage let alone any of the reviews…as well as frontpage peeps who know nothing about the wild mudwrestling on offer over the forum.

I agree, but it's a newbie, let's give him a break, maybe he'll come around. 

For sure. Gotta remember that not everyone here's a PA veteran, and I'd rather be inviting or welcoming to new members who want to explore the forums and discuss their tastes with others on the site


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I was merely talking to the old members on here. I’m sorry if it sounded like I was giving the new guy a hard time. That was not my intention
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I was mainly responding to the idea that progressive somewhat started out as uncool before it eventually became cool - was I mean?

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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I was merely talking to the old members on here. I’m sorry if it sounded like I was giving the new guy a hard time. That was not my intention

It's all good LOL I guess it was just a matter of making the new members feel welcome, especially if they're already prog fans as well Smile
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Welcome, James, and Saper, I wouldn't think anyone thought you were being rude.

I have moved this to the Prog Bands Appreciation forum. No big deal with any error. I am an oldbie who has come to expect mistakes from myself (and more the older I get). Hopefully James enjoys the forum and hopefully comes to appreciate this diverse community. If not, that's okay too.

I love Can, it's one of my favourite bands in and out of Prog Archives, and Krautrock is one of my favourite categories in PA. It has also been one of the most influential bands on many of my favourite modern bands -- Neu! (those Motorik beats and the like), Cluster, Harmonia and various Krautrock also have influenced much of my favourite music.

This by Stereolab for instance (Metronomic Underground): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxknMTAoC8U

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Originally posted by jamessavik jamessavik wrote:

Can has been influential with later groups. They may have been called progressive before progressive was cool

In regards to music the term "progressive". It never went from being an uncool term to being cool. I wasn't around back then, but I know why Bath Festival of Blues changed it's name to Bath Festival of Blues and Progressive Music from 1969 to 1970. Progressive music was the sh*t back when the term first came to use.

John Lydon writing I Hate on his Pink Floyd T-shirt (while he secretly still loved them) tells you everything about the status of ambitious rock had a few years later. If you wanted to be cool in the late 70's you had to hide your Yes and ELP-albums. Krautrock has grown in hipness for every decade that has passed since Can's string of classic releases though. Perhaps that is what you are thinking about?

Other than that, a great band - one of my personal favorites. I think even those who don't really like them are fully aware of their music and existence here on these boards.


Even in the late 1970s John Lydon was open about his love for various acts we call progressive. Can, Captain Beefheart, Peter Hammill, David Bowie, Third Ear Band, Magma, Kate Bush Here is one link, but I have seen various albums list of his (good taste per my tastes): http://www.fodderstompf.com/ARCHIVES/REVIEWS%202/capital77.html

He has called on Van der Graaf Generator, Magma and Captain Beefheart as influences, and I expect Can too, and Tago Mago was one of his all-time favourite albums. Also other people such as Lou Reed that I consider progressive.

I hear a Can (and Neu! and others) influence in various post-punk artists as well as similarities. I think PiL (Lydon's post Sex Pistols band) was pretty progressive/ experimental, and I hear the Krautrock similarities in Public Image Ltd's Metal Box (good album I think).


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Back in the day, everyone around me was listening to Lynard Skinyard, Van Halen and Kiss. Not horrible. I could appreciate... several of their songs. Confused

My tastes were more eclectic for a 14-year-old. I was listening to Yes, ELP and Pink Floyd. I was considered that weird kid. Growing up in Mississippi, I suppose I was.

Prog wasn't that popular in rural Mississippi. It wasn't what most people were listening too. I blame short attention spans and low IQs. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

The reason I suggested Can was I searched for it, didn't find it and knew it belonged here. It is one of those odd bands that weird kid listened to on vinyl, wore out and eventually replaced with CD.

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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I have found that over the years there seems to be quite a number of peeps who are unaware of PA being both a forum and a database. I’ve come across many forum folks who’d never ever seen the frontpage let alone any of the reviews…as well as frontpage peeps who know nothing about the wild mudwrestling on offer over the forum.

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Not sure how to react to this, but it's possible that what Guld says is probably right. But my issue is, when we look at PA, from all ends, not just the Forums, then we have something different. Most Bios are so simplified as to be thought of as not very good. Some Bios need to show the band's diversity in their "role" when it comes to their music ... for example ... ITCOTCK is a perfect snapshot of the late 60's in London, and I think it was very intentional only for Robert Fripp, likely, make a decision for the 2nd album that nothing would be as clear and obvious and a bit more out there and less visible in its "ideas" which just about became what KC was about since then. AND, he has been like that since then even to this day, and not a whole lot of the work is explained or discussed!

The other thing, is how we are adding new bands to the lists, and sometimes I think the main reason is to ensure that we do it first BEFORE WIKI gets a hold of it. And WIKI, is often really out of it when it comes to someone being in charge to ensure that it compiles things correctly and properly, and though PA makes sure that the Bios and Info is OK'd before posting, sometimes it is really poor and not well versed, specially when it comes to music that is related to the social/political moments at the time ... and sadly, a lot of American bands from the late 60's are not considered valuable members of the "progressive" mold, because they did not have their roots in London, and things like The Doors are grossly left behind, and they deserve to be considered next to the top 5 more often than not. Their output is very good, and better than most copycat bands that we added to the numbers. 

This information, the time and place, needs to be with the group's bio, otherwise, it all seems like just a bunch of songs that don't mean poop, and most of them never even got close to the top ten! And bands like Chicago, take a massive hit on this, when they had more "withitness" than most of the top 5 bands listed, specially in their first 4 or 5 albums!

CAN did with something like TAGO MAGO, pretty much what a lot of theater and film were doing in Europe ... wide open improvisations, and some of them turned into something that sounded really good and right to our ears ... even if we can't relate or wonder about the god barking! But, sadly, the one thing that SONG FANS don't want to know about is the meaning and history of a lot of this stuff. And while I don't think that PA should be the scion that makes sure that we have all the information right, at least an effort to show how a band or two came about in their time and place, which was not just about two or three musician friends more often than not! There was a lot more meaning to it all!


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Woefully underappreciated on this site. Only one album with an aggregate rating of over 4.00?

Tago Mago is in the top 100 albums of all time on RYM.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Woefully underappreciated on this site. Only one album with an aggregate rating of over 4.00?

Tago Mago is in the top 100 albums of all time on RYM.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Do you think more people today like CAN vs say 40yrs ago?
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Can has more monthly listeners on Spotify than Emerson Lake and Palmer and King Crimson - five times more than Gentle Giant, TWENTY times more than my beloved VdGG (which I find quite shocking)... So yeah it's safe to say that more people like Can today than 40 years ago. I don't mean that looking at monthly plays is 100% proof regarding a bands relative populatity, but the listening stats is still a clear indication.

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Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site.......The controlled insanity of CAN is brilliant!!! This album kicked my a$$ when I first heard it, honestly took me years to really understand them. But once I got it, I jumped in feet first and I'm still in the pool.
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Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Embarrassingly underappreciated on this site...

I don't think so, I've seen Can get nothing but respect here on PA. 
"Embarrassingly underappreciated"?! Ouch That's very harsh TBH. 

I’m not sure if it’s harsh, but even if so, it’s still true. Even if I’ve also seen Can get nothing but respect here, that doesn’t mean they can’t also be underappreciated - and I too think they are underappreciated.


he said "embarrassingly underappreciated" which is an exaggeration. it puts a very negative connotation in his statement. 
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