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FatherChristmas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2020 Location: LandofGrey&Pink Status: Offline Points: 2477 |
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Mozart and Beethoven are widely recognised as the two greatest classical* composers of all time, but who is the/is there a third?
I'm asking this because I used to think Wagner was the third, but I've been doing some research and I found there are people who are arguing for Haydn and Bach, and some who are saying it's just Mozart and Beethoven, so I'm a bit confused. ![]() *Yes, I know Beethoven was in the Romantic period, I mean"classical" as in not popular music.
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Grumpyprogfan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12497 |
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Whoever you want it to be.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13238 |
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First, you are relying on a false premise. I have never seen a critical list of composers that didn't have J.S. Bach as the greatest of all time or was at least top 3. Do a Google search.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Among the "big names", I'd say Handel can be him. Actually he is my second favourite, after Beethoven.
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Jaketejas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 27 2018 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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I'm with Dark Elf on this. Mozart and Beethoven both had great difficulty wrapping their heads around J.S. Bach's fugues. Handel is way up the list, too, but Bach is typically rated number one.
Some others I really like are Domenico Scarlatti (who wrote a bazillion sonatas ... Sonata in A being my favorite) and Muzio Clementi, a brilliant pianist who competed with Mozart. They say Mozart won, but I'm not sure if that was just because he was more brazen (the squeaky wheel gets the grease). Clementi's pieces are absolutely beautiful. |
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43952 |
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Philip Glass has always been my numero uno classical composer. He's one of the few classical composers who's still composing, as opposed to decomposing.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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There are also awesome stuff from less known or obscure composers. I always take delight in exploring the Classical territories. (Dvorak is very well known, of course. But not seen as one of the "giants", I guess.)
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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I place Bach as my favorite because the Brandenburg Concertos are simply sublime and my favorite pieces......then Mozart, Beethoven, etc...
Edited by dr wu23 - August 12 2020 at 19:24 |
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Mortte ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: November 11 2016 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 5538 |
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My fav is Sibelius.
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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Sorry, but not true. The composer who is widely regarded as the greatest of all time is Johann Sebastian Bach. Do a survey among classical musicians, conductors and composers, and Bach will always win by a wide margin. It will be a photo finish for second place between Mozart and Beethoven that usually Beethoven wins. Just read this: Or this: As to Beethoven: His early works are in the style of Viennese classicism. His latter works are in the style of romanticism.
Edited by BaldFriede - August 13 2020 at 04:07 |
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FatherChristmas ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 30 2020 Location: LandofGrey&Pink Status: Offline Points: 2477 |
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Well, actually, that's a bit of a relief for me, since Bach and Elgar are my favourites.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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my wife already explained it well. I am a classically trained pianist
myself, and I always start the day with playing a prelude and fugue of
Bach. I have a soft spot for the works of Carlo Gesualdo; you might like him. he killed his wife and her lover when he surprised them in bed, but since he was a nobleman he got away with it. but he regretted it deeply and spent the rest of his life writing wonderfully sad madrigals in repentance. but listen for yourself: Edited by BaldJean - August 13 2020 at 04:30 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19032 |
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Typically Bach is considered number three.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19032 |
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Ok, I guess I'm wrong then. If Bach is number that's fine by me. He wrote some of the best music ever.
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