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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.

I first heard it and I was like "WTF?! This sucks!" and then listened  to it again and one song (Moonlight on Vermont) clicked, so I put the album on again and a few more songs clicked and so on and so on and now it's one of my favorites ever.

Hehe, it was exactly the same way for me.  It clicked for me on the very same song!  (I remember finding myself whistling it!)  I tend to think there are two important things to note about TMR: first, don't expect to like it - or even process it as 'music' - the first few times you hear it.  Second, afterwards, your confidence with 'difficult' music (if you lacked it in the first place) will soar.

But don't mind me, I love TMR. Embarrassed


It was actually the opposite for me.  I was confident that I was ready for anything difficult (after all, I loved the Faust Tapes Big%20smile), and upon hearing TMR the first time I realized that maybe I wasn't as good as I thought at this challenging music thing. 

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Just ordered Kultivator - Bardomens Stigar  from Wayside.  Little pricey so I hope it's worth it.
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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Hehe, it was exactly the same way for me.  It clicked for me on the very same song!  (I remember finding myself whistling it!)  I tend to think there are two important things to note about TMR: first, don't expect to like it - or even process it as 'music' - the first few times you hear it.  Second, afterwards, your confidence with 'difficult' music (if you lacked it in the first place) will soar.

But don't mind me, I love TMR. Embarrassed

It was actually the opposite for me.  I was confident that I was ready for anything difficult (after all, I loved the Faust Tapes Big%20smile), and upon hearing TMR the first time I realized that maybe I wasn't as good as I thought at this challenging music thing. 

I meant, after you've got into it. Big%20smile  After you've made the trek from "??!!!*@$%?!" to enjoying it, other similar excursions will not seem so far or so arduous...
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Just ordered Kultivator - Bardomens Stigar  from Wayside.  Little pricey so I hope it's worth it.


I hear good things about Kultivator.  Lemme know how it is, there's precious little classic Zeuhl out there. 

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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Just ordered Kultivator - Bardomens Stigar  from Wayside.  Little pricey so I hope it's worth it.


I hear good things about Kultivator.  Lemme know how it is, there's precious little classic Zeuhl out there. 


Wonderful album.

Not exactly zeuhl in the strictest sense but it contains a lot of fuzz bass.

Think of National Health with Hugh Hopper on bass... only a little more rock-orientated.

I may have to listen to it now, in fact.  I need refamiliarise myself with it. Big%20smile

Edit: Patrick, you'll die hearing this!

First track is like National Health meets In Cahoots meets something else entirely.

It's a Patrick album through and through. Clap

Think of how Gowen and Stewart play along with Phil Miller (and that other Phil... forget his surname) and you're close to how it sounds. Big%20smile

Second track is heavier and more Zeuhl-orientated. Big%20smile


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Barndomens Stigar is a wonderful album indeed. I think I rated it 4.5/5 on RYM!
 
 
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Originally posted by James James wrote:


Think of National Health with Hugh Hopper on bass... only a little more rock-orientated.


Sounds good to me Thumbs%20Up

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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:


Think of National Health with Hugh Hopper on bass... only a little more rock-orientated.


Sounds good to me Thumbs%20Up


Although the fuzz-bass quotient isn't as high as you think it is...

How can I best describe it?

National Health, Hatfield and the North, In Cahoots and Soft Heap but with a more Zeuhl sound to it.  Some fantastic guitar and keyboard work.  It's a must hear, in my opinion. Big%20smile

Blowie, why did you drop .5 of a mark? Shocked

Edit: the intro to Varfol sounds like something Weidorje could have recorded. Big%20smile


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Speaking of the Cow...
 
TH's band The Work...thoughts?
 
Wayside makes it seem like greatness stacked on top of awesomeness inside of wowzawoo. It indeed sounds interesting and something I should like but I've never heard of them before so I thought I'd inquire to the experts.
 
I've always had mixed feelings about The Work. Tim Hodgkinson and Bill Gilonis did some interesting EPs prior to The The Work (collected on the excellent Woof 7" compilation), and I'd recommend them wholeheartedly. Then came Slow Crimes, which owed as much to the anarcho punk of Crass as it did to RIO. Nothing wrong with Crass, btw, but Tim Hodgkinson's lead vocals aren's up to much and (for me) the album doesn't really stand up to the test of time. Shortly thereafter was the lo-fi Live in Japan with Chris Cutler on drums and Amos (aka L Voag, Xentos etc) on bass. It's actually pretty good. Then there was a hiatus of several years, and they bounced back with Rubber Cage, which managed to deliver (finally) what the early Gilonis/Hodgkinson EPs promised.
 
Most of their output is available on emusic, which is definitely the best way to acquire it (especially Slow Crimes) if you're not sure about them.
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Is Trout Mask Replica really that essential? I've heard parts of it on Youtube because someone kindly uploaded most of the album, and I wasn't too impressed. I can see why it was important in 1969, but I didn't really like it. It all seemed to me to either be mostly standard blues with a few twists or cacophony that I didn't find very moving. Maybe I need to try again, I don't know.

 
Yes.
 
It was a seminal influence on RIO and much else besides, and it is much more than 'standard blues with a few twists of cacophony' except on a handful of tracks like China Pig. Listen carefully to the way that the individual instrumental parts slot together on the tracks featuring the whole Magic Band - even if you don't like it (and there's no reason why you should) a lot of this stuff sounds as mind boggling today as it did when I first heard it back in the 1970s. It's also cheap these days (in the UK at any rate) so it's worth adding to your collection even if it's more for its influence than for its musical content.
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Blowie, why did you drop .5 of a mark? Shocked

 
 
Because it doesn't quite reach up to albums like Ceux du Dehors and Triskaidekaphobie. Embarrassed
 
 
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Blowie, why did you drop .5 of a mark? Shocked

 
 
Because it doesn't quite reach up to albums like Ceux du Dehors and Triskaidekaphobie. Embarrassed
 
 


Oh I see.

Well I rate it as a 5 because that is what it is.  I know other albums reach 5 as well but you know, this isn't those albums.

As an album unlinked to any other album, it's a 5/5.

Of course, it's no Rock Bottom, Still Life or Larks' Tongues in Aspic but it's still a 5/5 for me.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

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Blowie, why did you drop .5 of a mark? Shocked

 
 
Because it doesn't quite reach up to albums like Ceux du Dehors and Triskaidekaphobie. Embarrassed
 
 


Oh I see.

Well I rate it as a 5 because that is what it is.  I know other albums reach 5 as well but you know, this isn't those albums.

As an album unlinked to any other album, it's a 5/5.

Of course, it's no Rock Bottom, Still Life or Larks' Tongues in Aspic but it's still a 5/5 for me.
 
 
I meant that I don't like it as much as those albums, otherwise I would rate it 5 as well. Tongue
 
 
 
 
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Ceux du Dehors is yummy yummy yummy, how have I waited this long to hear it? Shocked

Melissa, have you heard Offering's A Fiileh yet?  It's pretty good.  The first five tracks are very Zeuhl (like Magma unplugged, with little to no bass and lots of piano) whilst the last tracks are extremely jazzy.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Melissa, have you heard Offering's A Fiileh yet?  It's pretty good.  The first five tracks are very Zeuhl (like Magma unplugged, with little to no bass and lots of piano) whilst the last tracks are extremely jazzy.

No, not as yet.  I'm sure I will at some point.  Thanks for the info, it's handy to know your thoughts - I wasn't entirely sure whether to bother with that stuff...  Right now, I'm trying to get up to speed with all my recent RIO-and-related purchases!!
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regarding Death Ambient, I would recommend their first two albums (cause I have not heard the newest one).  They would be for fans of ambient (0bviously), free jazz, improv, darkness, and electronica (Ikue Mori's drum machine awesomeness).  I really like them.  They are quite off the beaten path, and you cannot go wrong with that lineup.  They are a very subtle and yet surprising brew of music.  I highly recommend.  I will pick up Drunken Forest soon.

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also, Time Of Orchids are a great band (members have played with Toby Driver of Kayo Dot/motw); it is sad that they broke up.  they had a really unique sound.  I would recommend starting with their newest album and working backwards.  Their first album is more hardcore than RIO/avant rock.....but still worthwhile.  I love all of their material.  check em out.

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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Ceux du Dehors is yummy yummy yummy, how have I waited this long to hear it? Shocked

Melissa, have you heard Offering's A Fiileh yet?  It's pretty good.  The first five tracks are very Zeuhl (like Magma unplugged, with little to no bass and lots of piano) whilst the last tracks are extremely jazzy.
 
Ceux du Dehors is indeed a thing of rare yumminess.
 
There's a double live set by Offering on emusic if you haven't already downloaded it - if you like A Fiieh you'll probably love it, although it's a bit hit and miss.
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Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

regarding Death Ambient, I would recommend their first two albums (cause I have not heard the newest one).  They would be for fans of ambient (0bviously), free jazz, improv, darkness, and electronica (Ikue Mori's drum machine awesomeness).  I really like them.  They are quite off the beaten path, and you cannot go wrong with that lineup.  They are a very subtle and yet surprising brew of music.  I highly recommend.  I will pick up Drunken Forest soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Ambient
 
Drunken Forest is the only one I've got. I've heard very mixed reports about it but I like it a lot - I've liked just about everything I've heard with Ikue Mori and her contributions to the Electric Masada live albums are phenomenal. I'll pick up the other two sooner or later.
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Hehe, I've been on a right little musical tangent today.  Here there and everywhere.

Currently revisiting The Residents, 'The Third Reich 'n Roll'... I can't remember the last time I listened to this, and I'm not even sure why I like it so much. Confused  (PA seems to have them in the RIO/Avant category, so I guess I can mention 'em here... although my music player seems to think this is 'Pop'! LOL  Well, kinda...)

All I can say is... I'm glad I've got headphones.  Otherwise, I'd be hearing serious complaints for playing this one!!
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