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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

On P.E. there are members who are more likely to talk about Jade Warrior, Ange, Pulsar and other European underground bands. At least it seems that way. This is of interest because you've got PE members who will offer up information about these bands that you sometimes won't find on the internet.

Unfortunately there are a lot of snooty people on P.E. who think of music as a competitive sport. I don't think of music in that way and I try to avoid members of the site that do. Some of the opinions on P.E. I have difficulties in accepting. If you dislike Jethro Tull that is your right....but to say that Ian Anderson is not great on flute is just silly. Of course he's not the greatest..but he could improvise like Herbie Mann or Mel Collins if he wanted to. He just has no desire to. It's the musicians in Kiss and Grand Funk Railroad who are not great on their instruments . So on P.E. you'll have 2 or 3 members stating that Ian Anderson is not very good and then the next post down you'll have members talking about how great Grand Funk Railroad are on their instruments...and it's such a turn off

Alan Holdsworth is often tossed around in conversation like the greatest guitarist on earth. He's often held above other phenomenal players and it's not accurate to say so logically. I sometimes see more of a sharing process on Prog Archives where people actually agree on viewpoints other than their own.

There are also P.E. members which hail from Cumberland County, New Jersey and that particular area has no culture and regarding music it has a back in the woods mentality..which is very backwards, macho...and moronic to me. And that exists on P.E. which doesn't seem to surface too much on Progarchives.




I can understand why you might think this and there are some people on there who seem to be like that but I don't think it's as bad as it used to be. The really snobby people either got bored or were kicked out or whatever. I think a lot of them tend to like more than just symph prog or prog metal and many are big fans of RIO and avant garde. Most of the prog places I see online seem to be mostly younger fans who seem to be really into prog metal and not much else or maybe just newer prog and aside from the most well known 70s bands (or well known in general) don't know much about the lesser known (old and newer) bands. At least that's been my experience. Go on any of the prog reddit pages and you'll see what I mean. They might occasionally mention Eloy, Triumvirat, PFM, Ange or Nektar but probably not much more obscure than those.
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I went over there once and was pleased to see an ongoing conversation with Steve Babb about the last Glass Hammer album. That was cool. However I feel very invested in PA and also prog yt channels generally name check PA not PE because of the expansive database. 
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Ian Anderson is great on flute and some of his sound on Aqualung [my favorite album by them] is great, especially on the starrer My God. [sorry, if I confused a song's name]. That being said, I never could like early or late Tull. They seemed uneven to me. Stuff like Bouree is decent but there is much fluff in there as well. Personally, I think they have two top tier albums out of which I personally only would rate Aqualung as an all time classic.

Still, as the poster said, everyone has their opinion on music. There is little objectively right or wrong [unless you are talking about Rolling Stones' Bridges to Babylon. That has to be the single most worst thing I have listened in my early rock phase :p] and I can't criticize Tull or most bands on a musical level, even if I don't like them.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

Unfortunately there are a lot of snooty people on P.E. who think of music as a competitive sport.
And ironically, Progarchives is the one that has an entire section for "polls" where users pick their favorite bands. 🤣
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

On P.E. there are members who are more likely to talk about Jade Warrior, Ange, Pulsar and other European underground bands. At least it seems that way. This is of interest because you've got PE members who will offer up information about these bands that you sometimes won't find on the internet.

Unfortunately there are a lot of snooty people on P.E. who think of music as a competitive sport. I don't think of music in that way and I try to avoid members of the site that do. Some of the opinions on P.E. I have difficulties in accepting. If you dislike Jethro Tull that is your right....but to say that Ian Anderson is not great on flute is just silly. Of course he's not the greatest..but he could improvise like Herbie Mann or Mel Collins if he wanted to. He just has no desire to. It's the musicians in Kiss and Grand Funk Railroad who are not great on their instruments . So on P.E. you'll have 2 or 3 members stating that Ian Anderson is not very good and then the next post down you'll have members talking about how great Grand Funk Railroad are on their instruments...and it's such a turn off

Alan Holdsworth is often tossed around in conversation like the greatest guitarist on earth. He's often held above other phenomenal players and it's not accurate to say so logically. I sometimes see more of a sharing process on Prog Archives where people actually agree on viewpoints other than their own.

There are also P.E. members which hail from Cumberland County, New Jersey and that particular area has no culture and regarding music it has a back in the woods mentality..which is very backwards, macho...and moronic to me. And that exists on P.E. which doesn't seem to surface too much on Progarchives.


I can understand why you might think this and there are some people on there who seem to be like that but I don't think it's as bad as it used to be. The really snobby people either got bored or were kicked out or whatever. I think a lot of them tend to like more than just symph prog or prog metal and many are big fans of RIO and avant garde. Most of the prog places I see online seem to be mostly younger fans who seem to be really into prog metal and not much else or maybe just newer prog and aside from the most well known 70s bands (or well known in general) don't know much about the lesser known (old and newer) bands. At least that's been my experience. Go on any of the prog reddit pages and you'll see what I mean. They might occasionally mention Eloy, Triumvirat, PFM, Ange or Nektar but probably not much more obscure than those.

Hi,

Time for something else ... it should help a few folks get the right idea about a lot of music!!! It's a bit much, but actually very with it, and some folks might not like it. But it is, for the most part (in my book) very correct and right, though, more often than not, we dislike folks that speak out as much as Bob does ... but I think he is quite right. Bob is not one of those that is sucked in by lists, numbers and Tarzan's!

Bob Lefsetz—The Music Critic Everyone Loves to Hate



Edited by moshkito - February 02 2025 at 03:34
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