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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 08:19
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

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Mind if I ask why shouldn't Cobain play guitar if those borefests like George Lynch got to? 

I'm not saying Cobain shouldn't have played guitar.  I'm saying he shouldn't' have been considered a GUITAR HERO.  Because people actually said he was an influential and important guitar player, this changed music for the worse afterward because people thought "well, if you don't have to work hard to be considered good, why should I work hard?"


No, he is considered influential because he showed a more minimal approach could work, again, in guitar and he also put the emphasis on delicious tones rather than just blistering combinations of notes.  Music follows this cycle of simple-complex-simple, nothing new there.  Sid Vicious was a hero for those who got tired of prog's ponderous nature.  Metal excess was the answer to rudimentary punk rock and Cobain pushed the balance back towards simplicity again.  It goes on.   How many bedroom guitarists have succeeded anyway in acquiring as much influence as Cobain?  Does it really matter what he is considered?
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Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.

Oh, I've heard people claim he was the best guitarist ever.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 08:51
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

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Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.

Oh, I've heard people claim he was the best guitarist ever.
...and you have faith in their judgement because...?
 
This simply does not compute - *fans* make all kinds of vainglorious claims about their favourites, and you and I are not immune from that. It does not make it a universal truth or an undeniable fact.
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He is no 73 in Rolling Stones all time guitarists.  Not that that means anything.  However, playing the guitar can be like ringing a bell
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

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Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.

Oh, I've heard people claim he was the best guitarist ever.
...and you have faith in their judgement because...?

I obviously don't.  But that is a claim that he is a guitar hero.
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Johnny B Goode reference there methinks? However, no-one on PA would dare undermine the OP's loathing and disgust for a popular music recording as represented by the proffered example. Life's too short, get over it and move on to the thing that brings us all together on PA to celebrate the things that make life worthwhile.
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Variety is the Spice of Life as they say.  In my life there is room for Nirvana Madonna Punk and Tangerine Dream.. and Post Punk and.......
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 09:23
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.

Oh, I've heard people claim he was the best guitarist ever.
...and you have faith in their judgement because...?

I obviously don't.  But that is a claim that he is a guitar hero.
But it is a claim and not a fact as you implied when you first mentioned his guitar hero status. He is a rock hero to some, one that happened to play guitar, but few credit him with any guitar skills, especially anyone who can play a guitar. Certainly no one here ever made that claim.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 09:27
For some reason when I see disgrace and music together in one sentence, this guy comes to mind:

GG Allin LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 15:24
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

For some reason when I see disgrace and music together in one sentence, this guy comes to mind:

GG Allin LOL



Oh god. LOL

His music is a joke between a few friends and I. 

Bite it you scum! LOL
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 15:32
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.

All I know is that he's an hero that played the guitar in a famous band.
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Oh, come on. The people who made those videos probably intentionally made them that bad to get attention. See, my personal opinion is that the biggest disgrace to music is the fact that Justin Bieber is successful.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:11
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Is Cobain considered a Guitar hero? (and I don't mean just because he's featured on dumbass a video game) I thought he was considered to be a songwriter of his generation rather than a musician.

Oh, I've heard people claim he was the best guitarist ever.
He auditioned to play bass for The Melvins, but was not kept. He remained however friend with them and contributed some guitar and percussion on their album 'Houdini'.
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:20
Big smile
 
 
 
 
LOLWink 
 
I don't mean PC in general.  BUt, this song is awful!
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:39
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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LOLWink 
 
I don't mean PC in general.  BUt, this song is awful!
the film it was in was awful too (IMHO).
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Big smile
 
 
 
 
LOLWink 
 
I don't mean PC in general.  BUt, this song is awful!
the film it was in was awful too (IMHO).
 
What film was it in?  Luckily I missed this song and whatever film it was at the time.  How many wives did he need to pay for at the time to have to do this dirge?
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2012 at 16:56
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

What film was it in?  Luckily I missed this song and whatever film it was at the time.  How many wives did he need to pay for at the time to have to do this dirge?
Buster - he "volunteered" to do the feeme tune ... a bit like Denis Waterman does I imagine. Shame, it wasn't a bad song back in the 60s by The Mindbenders (10cc's Stewart and Gouldman's earlier band)
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

What film was it in?  Luckily I missed this song and whatever film it was at the time.  How many wives did he need to pay for at the time to have to do this dirge?
Buster - he "volunteered" to do the feeme tune ... a bit like Denis Waterman does I imagine. Shame, it wasn't a bad song back in the 60s by The Mindbenders (10cc's Stewart and Gouldman's earlier band)
 
No the original wasn't a bad song he just made a really lazy dirgy version of it!
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

^While I would agree that Nirvana had a negative influence, to be fair, hair metal wasn't much better.  

There were plenty of Hair Metal bands that showed skills though...


Notwithstanding your own personal tastes, how could Nirvana, the Pixies and Soundgarden be bad for erstwhile contemporary rock music?

I said nothing about the Pixies and Soundgarden.  It's my impression, from the music I've heard and discussions I've had with other musicians, that Nirvana had a negative influence in that they inspired many bands after them with similar not-too-special songwriting and limited instrumental skills.  I'm not anything approaching a popular music expert, though, so I could be wrong.  In my above post I meant to point out that it wasn't like popular music was that much better before Nirvana came along.  Sure, hair metal guitarists had technical ability, but there's no use for that if there's a deficiency of emotion and songwriting skills.  I haven't been too impressed with Cobain's songwriting from what I've heard, but at least he had a point to his music, unlike many hair bands.  The argument could also be made that Nirvana did a good thing in influencing thousands of kids to play guitar, because they realized that they could play for fun without having to be virtuosos.
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