Defining Prog- The Eternal Question

Please don't put people off ELP. This happened before with a previous member called Karnevil9. You're not him are you?

rematpac wrote: Them that do,do;them that can't do,teach;and them that can't teach ctiticize.And that's all you can do since you undoubtably can't play a note of real music.YOU are the failure.I just spent 2 hours looking through internet files on typos for Karn Eval 9 to try and solve the mystery.I found nothing to explain my paradox.I even contacted Greg Lake himself and may hopefully hear back from him someday.When I google Karn Eval 9,there are many websites with that spelling reffering to ELP.You can't tell me I got the one typo album and nobody else did.Since all you're capable of is to critisize others,you should have the solution.You are the failure and all you can do is print fail to someone else to make yourself feel like you're important.What a pathetic sick joke!

This absolutely made my afternoon.  Well done sir. 

Padraic wrote: rematpac wrote: Them that do,do;them that can't do,teach;and them that can't teach ctiticize.And that's all you can do since you undoubtably can't play a note of real music.YOU are the failure.I just spent 2 hours looking through internet files on typos for Karn Eval 9 to try and solve the mystery.I found nothing to explain my paradox.I even contacted Greg Lake himself and may hopefully hear back from him someday.When I google Karn Eval 9,there are many websites with that spelling reffering to ELP.You can't tell me I got the one typo album and nobody else did.Since all you're capable of is to critisize others,you should have the solution.You are the failure and all you can do is print fail to someone else to make yourself feel like you're important.What a pathetic sick joke! This absolutely made my afternoon.  Well done sir.

Your  positive response has made my evening and is appreciated and I'll even conceed to you as the winner if this is some kind of war with words if it makes you feel any better.Congradulate yourself,you deserve it by one-upping me.

moshkito wrote: Dean wrote: ...  HOWEVER your original assertion was the it was originally called Karn Eval and they changed it later. Thus far all the evidence suggests it has always been called Karn Evil.   I am not sure that any part of the Karn Eval idea makes any sense at all ... specially when the art work used in the cover suggeests something else, and was by someone whose work ... is scary for many folks, and sometimes might even be considered "evil", and eventually a lot of his art work became a massive part of the first "Alien" film.   The number 9 designation, I am not sure is necessary or that important ... and for all we know, and failed to check, the piece had 9 parts and that was that! ... something silly like that ... but it could also be just another Beatle thing ... why Revolution #9 when ... wait a minute ... where's Revolution #2?   I don't like to question the titles of things and for that reason, I do NOT name any of my poems ... and over 200 of them, use the first line for index'ing purposes, with one issue ... I have the same first line (intentional evil here Bugs Bunny style too so we can confuse all these Ducks!) on several poems ... that go in different directions.   I can not tell you why they have the same first line any more than I can why the line is the first line of the poem in there ... it's just the way it came out ... and that's that!   I think "Karn Evil 9" is more appropriate, specially when the title of the album suggests a big messy brain ...and in the end the whole thing could be about all three of them being so screwed up in their own circus that they could use a brain surgery ... or a 9th one! As it was well known that they had arguments, but they managed to smooth things out enough and move along ... but ... It doesn't matter ... it really doesn't ... but the friction in them and between them created some excellent music ... and if that is necessary for karn evil 9 to come along ... that is just fine with me!

I thought I had this post thing figured out ,but I guess not so I'll try it again : The most logical explanation at this point is that I was the victim of a typo of the word EVAL on a very early BSS press.Since it has always been my favorite rock music work my memory is undisputable on the question.BBS and other ELP releases have an extensive history of an unusually number of typos unfortunately.It took 37 years to discover the truth with the help of this website.I never liked the spelling of EVAL(thinking possibly using it fron the word MEDIEVAL)and was glad when I saw it changed,not realizing that it never was suppose to be spelled EVAL all along.As far as the no.9 being used,I just gave it my best guess with former rock history in mind.

is there a grassy knoll involved here?

In my opinion, it is important to discern the artists in two categories: the proper prog artists (musicians that are part of the movement and voluntarily compose and performe prog-rock music, such as Genesis, King Crimson, ELP, Yes, or more recently Flower Kings, Spocks Beard, Magic Pie etc...) from a second category of Artists that belong to different music's genres or however they are not part of any music's genre at all, but unwittingly they produse music that for composition, execution or atmosphere, most of the time or just sometime, reminds the features of the prog music (such as Colosseum, Beatles, Santana, Cardiacs or more recently Muse, Radio Head, Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins, Sad Lovers and Giants, Wolfagang Press, This Mortal Coil, the Legendary Pink Dots etc...).

I Joined to this community above all because it shows an open mind on regard of these sort of unwittingly-prog bands that produce excellent music anyway and they deserve to be here, but I realize that all this is generating a bit of confusion about the definition of prog-music.

Quoting Steven Brodziak  "Chord changes, mood changes, instrumentation changes as well as vocal changes in a song can be prog" and I am quite agree with this definition, but...

I wanna quote a sentence a film,  "can be great, if a guy knows. If he knows what he's doing and why and if he can make it come off" (the Hustler).

The great difference is here: Knowing what are you doing and above all why!
At the end of the day It's not important the definition of Prog-music, but but insted the definition of Prog-Artist.

Music fortunately is in a continous evolution and cross-contaminations are customarily.
What important above all, in my opinion,  is to be conscious (the Artist) of what are you doing and why...and of couse doing good, intelligent and intriguing music too.

So prog rock is King Crimson? I'm confused. 

He gets it!!!

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: seriously if i had the time i would post what is already up on the home page here under genres.

That would take up quite a lot of space, I don't think time is even the issue.  It would take most readers longer to scroll past that post than it would to copy-paste it all.  Perhaps links would work better.