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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20273 |
Posted: August 18 2007 at 11:20 | |
You can ay that again!!! I often hide the fact I speak Dutch/Flemish and speak English instead, just to make sure I understand the answer coming back tome!! Thisis especially so in Holland where thye second haff of the worddisappears in a gargling noises that you expect to seetheem spittle a piece of their lung as they speak!!!
I think I'm a dead man on Sept,15
PC, if you can believe that some Dutch and Flemish TV reportages in Dutch , some locals are being systematically subtitled in Dutch! In some cases, even internally between themselves, some Flemish people are not sure to undertsand each other.
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:01 | |
tsk tsk tsk ........ misinterpretation....... the reason she is "wondering what clothes to wear" at the last minute is because she has been far too busy until then to give it a thought....... whilst Eric has got his jeans and his "I love Ringo" t-shirt on and knew without a doubt that is what he would wear a month previous, she has been feeding the kids, looking after the house, finding & washing the t-shirt HE wants to wear, clearing up the cat sick, getting that weird stain out of the carpet near the lamp, changing the bulb in the security light, filling out the school bus paperwork...... etc etc etc etc............so there they are at the 11th hour and she gets a moment to her self, and barely the energy to find something to wear.......THEN she has to ASK him to even be told that she looks good...... take a tip boys...... tell her she looks wonderful BEFORE she asks, and if you do wait to be asked don't feel so darned smug that you didn't make a joke that you feel compelled to write a song about how clever you are! men.......... so clever......so stoooopid........... See ya's in Spetember x |
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Angelo
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:50 | |
This is going nowhere....
@Sean: you'll survive the 15th (did you get a ticket through someone?) - most of the gargling noises come from 'above the rivers'; I'll be able to translate that into Flemish for you (or French, if these guys get drunk enough to keep it really simple ). After all, I was born and raised in Zeeuws-Vlaanderen (they call us 'spare Belgians') Edited by Angelo - August 18 2007 at 15:51 |
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 15:17 | |
ok fellow Symforcers.....
Geck0 reckons he can't see my lovely flashing symforce banner in my sig..... I can see it fine (I think he has anti-gig software or something) ..so hands up, who CAN see it? Or did i go to that enormous effort for nothing? |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: August 19 2007 at 15:23 | |
That sig looks great Prog-chick, are you that flashy too ?
My proposal on the Symforce Festival After Party on September 16th is that I buy food and drinks (ideas are welcome) and that we share the supermarket bill, OK? Seats can be hired for the fair amount of 1 euro pro hour (Chesterfield armchairs 2 euro pro half an hour), that's a deal fellow Symforcers?
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Rivertree
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 15:47 | |
I pray for Sauce Hollandaise with the food ...
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:15 | |
What about a Double Dutch Burger ?
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Angelo
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 16:53 | |
Sig looks fine P-C. Geck0's hair was probably in his eyes again....
@Erik: Fine with me. No ideas yet, but that'll come. |
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 17:45 | |
I wont be able to make the party....... I'll pitch in a euro for some grey roomer to take the weight off their arthritic legs though!!!!
Anything happening on the Friday night??? |
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 17:46 | |
OF COURSE! |
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Symforce
Forum Groupie Joined: August 19 2007 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 46 |
Posted: August 19 2007 at 18:05 | |
hi everyone, nice to see there's so much activity going on regarding the Symforce festival and where to meet. It has taken me a while before I enlisted myself as it is impossible to be a member of a zillion forums all at once. However I feel PA being pretty active which is exactly what I like Symforce to become : a buzzing activity !
someone wrote it is too 'neo-prog' for him. Not really sure if this person knows all of the bands on offer as I feel there's only one neo-prog band on the bill and that's Pendragon. It is mainly Symfo hence the Symforce name.
I'm not sure whether the 'all on one day' formula is a good one. We simply need big names to attract a wide and varied audience although I knew from the beginning that real progheads would mainly concentrate on the small venue and the batcave as that's where the interesting concerts are. I went to see Isopoda rehearse last thursday and it's great to hear those "Acrostichon" and "Taking root" tracks come to life again
apart from the concerts themselves I know there will be some surprises which will only take place at Symforce. Also there will be several specialist CD-dealers and every single artist will have his own merchandise area
it is my sincere hope that Symforce can grow into a yearly event allowing us to invite many prog giants from past, present and even future. Erik mentioned bands like Le Orme, well let me tell you that I have been negotiating with both PFM and Delirium for this year's edition. The first was way too expensive and although there are five people in the band they wanted to come with ten ! Also they only wanted to come by plane which in the end comes to a gigantic sum of money. Delirium was possible from a financial point of view yet not known enough for a first edition. I'm sure you'll all agree that you can put together a fantastic line-up with very small, virtually unknown bands, who will give the best they can. However these bands do not attract a huge crowd. That's why a festival should be a mixture of bigger names and upcoming talent. If we want Symforce to be there for many more years then that's the only way to do it. I'm sure we have a great line-up together this year and at a little over three euro's per band it's pretty economical as well.
I wish all of you a great Symforce festival and please give me feedback as much as possible so we can keep it in mind for next year's edition. As for the person whose son's 4th birthday it is on september 15th : why not arrange a birthday party at the 013 ? Bring the family and we'll supply the music ! You can't start young enough !
and please spread the word about Symforce to family and friends so that it's a huge success
Bobo
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Angelo
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 18:42 | |
Welcome John! Good to hear from the source of all
I understand what you are saying with respect to the line up, the approach is fine with me. As for the future - if this is a success, it may get easier every year. Look at where Dutch and Belgian festivals like Pinkpop, Lowlands and Werchter started. Not that we should expect any prog festival to become that big, but on a smaller scale it is possible.
I think that was me, but you got the date wrong by a month. I mentioned I was not able to visit a festival in Brussels on October 15th because of my sons birthday. He already likes Blackmore's Night though, and his personal favourite track is É Festa by PFM - probably because of the beating riff. Anyway - we'll all be there on the 15th, if you keep an eye on our clothing plans for the day, you might be able to find us there. Thanks for making this happen, and for dropping in! Edited by Angelo - August 19 2007 at 18:42 |
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LeInsomniac
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 20:26 | |
Hey hey, back again. Erik its fine by me although for the drinks part a few beers or wine wouldn't hurt (maybe I'm pushing it too much)
Prog-chick, your Symforce sig looks well, and great! And of course something can happen Friday night, after all thats what I'm hoping for, some wild party all through and through (even if the majority of people which I will meet in person there are WAY older than me and already have more responsability in their lifes) hope all of them can work something out in that friday night, (and not only stay at home drinking a beer and watching a football match) Ideas anyone? |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: August 20 2007 at 05:25 | |
Well John, I am really surprised to see you on my Symforce thread, let's forget about the bad memories during my departure from iO Pages and focus on your great festival, OK?
It's wonderful to notice that so many PA members are going to visit the Symforce Festival, most from Holland (of course) but also Germany, Belgium, the UK, France and even Portugal! Can you tell something how you managed to organize this festival with such an amazing line-up? And how about the sales of the tickets? And can we expect a kind of market with CD/DVD/t-shirts sales?
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20273 |
Posted: August 20 2007 at 08:40 | |
Hey John, La bienvenue, mon ami!
Happy you could make it here and that you followed my message in PE
Angelo, didn't buy the ticket, yet
John, do you expect a sold-out? Edited by Sean Trane - August 20 2007 at 08:44 |
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Symforce
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 08:44 | |
as you know Erik, I have been writing about prog for over thirty years now so I do have a lot of phone numbers in my little black book. It has always been a dream of mine to put a European NEARfest together but it soon became obvious there are so many things to take care of and doing something of this magnitude all by yourself without having to put a mortgage on your house is virtually impossible. Also it is my intention not only to put something together for the progheads but to make prog accessible for those who left the progship ten or more years ago. I mean there are so many Genesis fans who turned their backs to the band after "Wind and wuthering" who would be delighted and surprised could they get the chance to hear The Watch for instance. So the bottomline was to put something together which would please both the prog diehard as well as the proglover who is not so fanatic about the genre but who would be tempted to see big names like Flower Kings, Pendragon, and Focus on one bill and take all the rest as a bonus
Symforce should be a musical picknick where the audience decides for itself where it will stay longest. As 013 had experience with a similar idea regarding stonerrock based under the Roadburn banner, they were keen to give it a shot. However it proved more difficult than Roadburn to put a decent amount of bands together. First of all the main amount of Roadburn bands have a similar line-up and are happy with some basic drums, amps and speakers. For them it's more the "one, two, three, four, go" spirit all over. In the Symforce case we have to bear in mind the keyboard set-ups, the occasional extra instruments, the often large line-up, harmony vocals, etc...
trying to get to see all eleven bands might indeed look virtually impossible but we tried to bear in mind the amount of people coming to see the festival giving them the possibility to absorb an idea of the various bands on offer. The batcave will have a genuine Hammond organ + pedals + lesley which will be used by three out of the four bands (Isopoda uses a Kurzweil with all the sounds as presets). These are the kind of things you have to bear in mind setting up something like Symforce. I remember Progfest once needing no less than three authentic Mellotrons on behalf of Änglagärd which is something they succeeded doing after lots of phonecalls !
believe me we have toyed around with lots of names and one of them we saw as a headliner kept us on our toes for five long months before finally saying no. In the meantime one of our other options had agreed to perform somewhere else so it was back to the drawing board. I had some great names and surprises up my sleeve but flying say ten people over from the States and having to rent tons of equipment simply is impossible when it concerns a not so wellknown name. I know Phideaux played the Crescendo festival last week but believe me they probably paid for their flights by themselves. The same applies to Ars Nova when they performed in Uden so many years ago. Numero Ueno paid for the tickets and was happy with hotel and food in exchange for their great set. Of course once the first edition has happened things will go a little easier as a lot of bands will know about the festival and the professional way it is taken care of. With everything under one roof and a team of professional helpers it's a joy to team up with the 013 and hopefully we can steer things in the same direction as the Roadburn festival which once again sold out this year !
no idea about ticket sales for the time being but keep promoting the festival and brings as many friends as you can is my moto !
regarding CD's, T-shirts, etc... three major prog CD vendors will be present (I will be selling Musea CD's at 10 euro/piece ! if you like a list before send me a mail and I'll reserve the titles for you. They are mainly old titles so don't expect brandnew stock to sell for 10 euro. However what I do have on offer 10 euro is a fantastic price and the discs are brand new most of which even still sealed !), every single artist will have a space to sell merchandise and/or arrange a signing session, internet radio station Laser Radio will have a stall, etc...
Bobo Edited by Symforce - August 20 2007 at 17:04 |
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Symforce
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 08:51 | |
it would be fabulous to sell out but bearing in mind this is the very first edition of the festival I'm not reallu sure. We were very late with promotion so that we didn't have any posters up at Arrow or Fields of Rock and flyers have only been ready since last week so we didn't have anything at Loreley either. Mind you we put adds in Oor, Revolver, iO Pages and the forthcoming edition of Eclipsed but this doesn't guarantee anything. At this time it's more a question of word of mouth and internet which should do the trick. From Aurora Project I was informed that their fans always buy tickets at the very last minute but that this can be 150 tickets ! Some people might still be on holiday and others might wait for the last minute but if you're certain you'll come I advise you to get those tickets NOW so you won't be dissapointed. For Roadburn there were people from Spain who neglected the sold out message on the website and they came all the way only to find themselves sitting outside the venue with a little piece of cardboard in their hands on which they had written "tickets please" so don't let this happen to you
Symforce wants to be a yearly event and you can make this happen so be there !
Bobo
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 12:04 | |
Good story John and I remember Ars Nova in Uden very well (all those male progheads ), I did an interview with Ars Nova and I had an unforgettable chat with Numero Ueno, the Japanese proghead #1 !
I hope you will play at least even with Symforce because you know that Arie Verstegen from The Boerderij has lost a lot of money on concerts with lesser and unknown progrock bands (After Crying 30 spectators, a shame!). He has almost stopped with promoting lesser and unknown progrock bands, I am concerned about that development so I hope your festival will be a success, all interesting ingredients are present, perhaps also Leffe and La Chouffe on draught ? Edited by erik neuteboom - August 20 2007 at 12:05 |
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Wilcey
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 02:13 | |
I think some lesser known bands, some younger bands can be in a hurry to play somewhere like The Boerderij because it has such a great name on the prog scene, or maybe even fans of smaller more niche bands want to see them play there....... but there is no shame of putting in more ground work, more time building your audience and waiting until you have true confidence (not mere bravado!) of expecting at least a 50% turnout before such a big gig is arranged. I would have thought it was good to raise an eyebrow or two for your first gig at somewhere such as the boerderij, and for the right reasons, you don't want to be remembered as being the band who only sold 30 tix......... That's why a fest like Symforce is such a great idea! I am really looking forward to seeing so many bands and musicians during the day! I do have a feeling it'll be a fairly crazy day.......... see you all there!!!! |
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Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20273 |
Posted: August 21 2007 at 03:41 | |
John, indeed, we must make us Belgians be oroud of us with some of our brews!!
That way if those Reserve Belgs from Noord Brabant, want to they can secess from those evil domineering Northern Provinces of Nl.
That's all it took us to kick them cheeseheads out of our lowlands!!
I am ordering my gravestone this afternoon!! The epitath: he died trying to make Belgium greater!!
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