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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:32
BaldFriede wrote:
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How about the gloriously imbecile state of Texas (well, Houston really) voting against a no-discrimination ordinance? And if you had seen some of the anti-ordinance ads, instilling fear on parents with images of men walking on little girls' bathrooms, you would be quite upset.
Again, it's Texas.
Sadly it's not the only place that boogeyman is used. Pretty recently I saw an article aobut fearmongering ads concerning "boys being able to look at your daughter in the bathroom" or something to that effect being used in a place I can't remember off the top of my head.
Excuse me? What exactly are you propagating?
I am propagating the idea that perverted men will abuse non-discrimination ordinances to sexually harass or abuse women is a frequently used scare tactic.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:49
Well, I must say I see no need why suddenly men and women should use the same toilets. And the article does not quite make it clear if that was included in the ordinance or not. It just says some people used it as an argument in debate.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:56
Fear of transgender people as sexual predators of children used to defeat something that would not allow discrimination of any type to occur. That's what it is. Now it is (or continues to be) to discriminate in Houston (as in many cities and states) based on race, religion, and yes, sexual orientation.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 20:56
BaldFriede wrote:
Well, I must say I see no need why suddenly men and women should use the same toilets. And the article does not quite make it clear if that was included in the ordinance or not. It just says some people used it as an argument in debate.
Well bills like that aren't about men and women using the same toilets, they are about making gender identity a protected class. It's just that the opposition to such bills almost always goes straight to women's bathrooms, particularly the use of them by trans women.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:01
Well, to be honest, I would not want to use the same bathroom as men. First of all there would be urinals in front of the cubicles then, and some men would probably use the occasion to display their pecker to ladies present then. Also there a some lady things we do in these ante-room to the cubicle at which I would not want to have men present either.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:07
But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:11
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But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
As I said, I have a problem with that. No matter how much such a transgender person feels like a woman, bodily this person still is a man. I understand her feelings, but I want mine to be understood as well.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:11
The T wrote:
But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we
are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about
transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be
OK?
Just ridiculous. I don't understand how you can keep telling yourselves this is completely normal. It's just weird. Leave politics out of "getting" equality for everyone, and teach young people to respect everyone and be good people.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:14
BaldFriede wrote:
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But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
As I said, I have a problem with that. No matter how much such a transgender person feels like a woman, bodily this person still is a man. I understand her feelings, but I want mine to be understood as well.
I understand this and even agree with it. Sadly this was used to defeat a bill that would have prohibited other type of discrimination.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:18
The T wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
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But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
As I said, I have a problem with that. No matter how much such a transgender person feels like a woman, bodily this person still is a man. I understand her feelings, but I want mine to be understood as well.
I understand this and even agree with it. Sadly this was used to defeat a bill that would have prohibited other type of discrimination.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:21
BaldFriede wrote:
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But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
As I said, I have a problem with that. No matter how much such a transgender person feels like a woman, bodily this person still is a man. I understand her feelings, but I want mine to be understood as well.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't particularly agree with it. People have had similar feelings towards sharing facilities with black people in the past, nowadays however the fallout would be massive if a school or apartment were to segregate people by race. It is obviously not an easy situation, and not something most people know much about, but I think trans people should have that same protection.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 21:34
A Person wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
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But (to narrow the ordinance to its LGBT implications) we are not talking about men using women's toilets. We are talking about transgender women (men who now are women) using them. Shouldn't that be OK?
As I said, I have a problem with that. No matter how much such a transgender person feels like a woman, bodily this person still is a man. I understand her feelings, but I want mine to be understood as well.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't particularly agree with it. People have had similar feelings towards sharing facilities with black people in the past, nowadays however the fallout would be massive if a school or apartment were to segregate people by race. It is obviously not an easy situation, and not something most people know much about, but I think trans people should have that same protection.
That's not the same at all. You are comparing apples and oranges.
The logical consequence would be to use unisex bathrooms. Just as we removed the racial barrier we should remove the gender barrier
An "anti-discrimination" ordinance is so silly. I don't understand liberals.
You're not alone, I don't understand them either.
I don't care about what someone feels their sexual orientation is, but they are still biologically male or female unless they get surgery and I know I wouldn't feel comfortable with a biologically female person in a men's restroom.
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Posted: November 05 2015 at 22:17
And this is sadly what happens: this one possible transgender-toilet consequence of an anti-discrimination bill obscures the fact that other very serious types of discrimination will be allowed
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Just ridiculous. I don't understand how you can keep telling yourselves this is completely normal. It's just weird. Leave politics out of "getting" equality for everyone, and teach young people to respect everyone and be good people.
