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Poll Question: Could a Tunisia Type Event Happen In Your Country In The Next Ten Yrs?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2011 at 12:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 03:49
Looks like the army was firmly with the Egyptian people today, protecting them from the Mubara-thugs.  Right on ! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 05:35
^I would rather say that the Army doesn't support Moubarak and his regime. It's a slight nuance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 05:41
Really?  Nothing slight about it under the circumstances, seems to me.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 06:49
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 15:47
^ There will be no Islamofacist government, I want to start my own revolution against the comical Western prejudice against Arabs, but it would be considered "adventurism" (<I.e. impossible). Iran = Persian, Shiite, different circumstances, Thousands of Miles.... Egypt = Sunni- opposed to Shiites, Arabs, animosity with Persians, not the same circumstances as Iran 30 years ago, and Muslim Brotherhood is a different thing entirely from the ayatollahs of another religion and country 30 years ago. I could go on, but suffice to say, western assumptions about Arabs are so far gone from the realm of rationality that it is largely pointless.

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As for the army's attitude. The army IS the government. Mubarak is the face of the military. The military plays friendly in their uniforms and tanks so they can find a new face once Mubarak is gone, so they are overlooked. Meanwhile thugs of the same government do what the dressed up soliders avoid doing. There are reports of the army on the 3rd, actually covering and protecting the thugs, as well, so their real attitude shines through sometimes.

Its about tricking people! Obama (as Bush once did) and Mubarak and the think tanks, and military brass, all are focused on creating and controlling impressions. Hence National Prayer Breakfast, Hence Military Smiles and Military Regime Thugs in the same square.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 16:37
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Really?  Nothing slight about it under the circumstances, seems to me.
 

They don't seem willing to forcibly depose him, which is a pretty big difference.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 16:54
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Really?  Nothing slight about it under the circumstances, seems to me.
 

They don't seem willing to forcibly depose him, which is a pretty big difference.

THE WHOLE WORLD WILL START TO IMPLODE!


Well, he got one thing right: the Northern part of Africa WAS a caliphate.

But seriously, who is going to listen to a convicted rapist?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 18:16
 
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

But seriously, who is going to listen to a convicted rapist?

This meme is stupid, and you didn't even do it right. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 18:57
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:


They don't seem willing to forcibly depose him, which is a pretty big difference.

THE WHOLE WORLD WILL START TO IMPLODE!


But why would the army forcibly remove him if that isn't necessarily the best course of action at this time?  I think some important subtleties of what's going on are being missed by even the experts.  Who would replace him that would not aggravate the situation further?  The son is probably unacceptable in the long term (and once he's in, it could be hard to remove him), and if the army installs someone it's just another despotism in the making.  Further, I suspect no single person or institution currently has supreme control.  Events are unfolding, not as part of a plan but as they occur. 

 - - and Beck's a very smart guy, it's a shame he allows his knowledge of history and jingoistic tendencies to cloud what could otherwise be a very well-reasoned analysis.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 23:57
Originally posted by RoyFairbank RoyFairbank wrote:

The Muslim brotherhood has no power in the streets. It is being given support by the government, however, which sees it as a tool to both "placate" the desire for an alternative government and also to be a reliable partner to the military.Parallels between Iran 30 years ago and Egypt today are ludicrous. You have to realize these are different religions, Sunni and Shiite, to begin with (as well as different races/populations, Arab vs. Persian). It has been a secular movement from the beginning, both in Tunisia and Egypt.Really this is an Israeli/Western propaganda to discourage protests, the people expressly want democracy.


First of all the word "democracy" means different things in different parts of the world... and it has a particularly perverted interpretation in countries of statist tradition such as Egypt... the protesters haven't made a clear statement of what they want to accomplish (what is their particular interpretation of "democracy").

It is true that Iran (30 years ago) and Egypt are very different but they have several things in common:
*Oil dependent economies
*A population highly dependent on the government
*A growing Islamic fundamentalist sentiment amongst the population
*Dictatorships linked to the western world -> A growing hatred against the west
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 10:31
Since we are talking about faux news, why not use the Arab equivalent of such?



Interestingly enough, dats awsm.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 15:00
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Since we are talking about faux news, why not use the Arab equivalent of such?



Interestingly enough, dats awsm.

Al-Jazeera English is great. Even Arabic Al-Jazeera gets a lot of unfair hate because people are idiots. Nobody thought it was anti-American before 9/11, but TERRORISTS AGHGGHGHHH
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 15:07
Mubarak makes his latest speech no sign of him going.  The people in the square do not sound pleased. 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2011 at 07:33
Many are marching on the palace, and the state TV station, now according to Sky news.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2011 at 10:43
The world is made of more than Egypt you know.. but if you watch CNN you would believe otherwise... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:03
Mubarak is out, woo! Party
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:11
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The world is made of more than Egypt you know.. but if you watch CNN you would believe otherwise... 


If you watched the BBC, you'd think the same!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:20
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The world is made of more than Egypt you know.. but if you watch CNN you would believe otherwise... 


If you watched the BBC, you'd think the same!


No matter the country, the idea is the same: keep you entertained and blissfully ignorant of 99% of what's happening out there by making you focus on ONE topic a week... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2011 at 11:23
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The world is made of more than Egypt you know.. but if you watch CNN you would believe otherwise... 


If you watched the BBC, you'd think the same!


No matter the country, the idea is the same: keep you entertained and blissfully ignorant of 99% of what's happening out there by making you focus on ONE topic a week... 
 
Yeah they should be concentrating on important momentous stuff like what Palin says.  Damn them  after all these revolution thingies are two a penny
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