Question about George W Bush

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marktheshark wrote: As a vet myself I have to give you big thanks for that. I would've gone into all that, but why waste my breath. These guys are hypnotized by Michael Moron. They're not going to change. If they're going to paint our soldiers as victims of the big bad government, then they're not supporting them. I salute you Gleam!

 

Hoorah!

gleam wrote:  Please do us a favor, stick to talking about prog music and let the men take care of business overseas.

Taking care of business overseas-I dont see any of that.

What I see are human beings being manipulated for greed and profit.

Isnt it coincidental that female porn stars often refer to themselves as being in control and having the right to do as they want with their own bodies.

It is your right to die for your Country,but that doesnt make it right.

Do you really think the invasion of Iraq was about anything other than oil.That makes the members of the various armed forces PIRATES !

re: paying for college education-there is a means for doing that very thing:

it's called Macdonalds!

synthguy wrote: marktheshark wrote: I support our men and women in the field. I do not support the policies of my government. Peace, Campbell Sorry. That cliche doesn't fly anymore. Since the men and women in the field ARE part of the government and did VOLUNTEER, and you don't support the policies then you don't support the men and women in the field. Peace, Mark

Mark,
Yes they did volunteer. They are part of the
government. However, they don't make the orders.
They take the orders. That's the job, they are not
victims. Being a vet you already know
that.
History, which you may or may not be a student of ,
has a grand tradition of unlawful orders, which have
been adhered to without question. Led to some
great atrocities.
Don't presume to tell me whom I support.. I realize
that the US military is composed of people. People
with families
Iraq is not a John Wayne film.
Peace,
Campbell [/QUOTE]

The bottom line is Synth, you throw that idiotic line about supporting the troops and not supporting what they're doing. When all it is, is just a catch phrase from the libs in the last election to avoid the Jane Fonda label.

As for history. You want atrocites? My uncle flew bombing missions in the big one over Germany. His wife was German descent. He was literally bombing his own in-laws. People he had met in Berlin. Some of them were killed. He did it 'cause that is what was needed to be done. Sure, he had regrets. There wasn't a day that went by when he didn't. But he survived it and so did his wife 'cause of the overall historic outcome.

You libs expect everything to be sweet and clean. War is dirty and nasty for cryin' out loud. You expect the results right now when as history as proven that the results of war takes decades to come full circle. Remember South Korea? An impoverished 3rd world nation threatened by communist take over. It really wasn't 'til 30 yrs later after the war that they came to full swing. I know, I ve been there. They're now a major economic player.

As for oil (This is for Tony, not you Synth). Boy that's a good one. I'm sorry, but I haven't seen a $1.20 gas sign in a long time. So what's your point? All I'm hearing is just a conspiracy theory on par with the JFK asassination. Just stick with the facts, will ya!


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Yeah. They're called nukes. You want to use them? Be my guest! We've done enough with those. You Netherlanders can take over in that dept. Thank you.



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Wow, amazing 110 posts?

To all of you reading this exchange, let me clarify a few points that Nacho has conveniently left out. Reading through the string you will notice that I wrote a note expressing my feelings concerning how certain persons were referring to U.S. armed forces personnel. A fellow vet thanked me for voicing my opinion to which Nacho and Dream Theater decided to add their condescending remarks. I decided to reply in Spanish as I wanted to make sure the message got home. Here’s the translation.

 

“Nacho,

At least my country fights when it’s attacked. Yours was bombed once and retreated. I didn’t expect less from a university professor, the last refuge for those who can’t compete in the real world.”

 

Let’s dissect what I said. The first part was a cheap shot at Spain’s decision to pull their troops out of Iraq after Al Alqaeda’s Madrid train bombing. It helped Spain’s left wing party get in power and pull out of their commitment to the war. This is something they have every right to do, but sends the message to terrorists every where that the Spanish can be pushed around. Nacho, this isn’t the message you want to send to the Basque separatist movement.   

 

The second part of my comment was aimed directly at Nacho, who as a university professor has an enormously inflated opinion of himself. Evidence of this was his response to my previous comment concerning how some of you on this site tend to denigrate persons serving in the armed forces (particularly Americans). His response was to say “I think I will vomit” or words to that extent. You see, Nacho is used to extolling theories to impressionable young minds who actually buy into his brand of BS. However, those of us who work for a living see through the crap and I simply reminded him of the adage that those who can’t make it in the real world, teach.

 

Nacho’s reply is pretty typical of his ilk, the intellectual BS artist. He would like to paint me as a hateful and prejudiced by suggesting I said disparaging things against Spain, universities and Peruvians. Nothing of the kind, as far as Spain is concerned: First I am married to a Latina and have nothing but the greatest respect for Spanish culture. For reference, I have a time share in Javea which I go to every September. Second, I have nothing against universities; I went to college and had a wonderful experience. What I do have is a pet peeve against intellectual dishonesty. Nacho, your obviously quite good at screwing with teenaged minds however don’t try it on my corner.

 

Finally, as far as my comments concerning Peruvians are concerned, here’s the translation.

“Dream Theater I would not talk, I spent some time in Peru trying to help your country resolve its drug trafficking problem. However after three months I realized it was futile. The reason is because the country is corrupt because the average Peruvian is corrupt”. I stand by this because I lived it first hand and can sight several examples beginning with Alan Garcia and Alberto Fujimori.

 

Enough said.

Well put Gleam. That's why I consulted you on what you said to Nacho in Spanish. Earlier I was simply going say that Spain's pulling out only demonstrated one thing. That their current president didn't win the election, the terrorists did. Damn, you beat me to it!

Then we have Synthguy, who seems to think that he knows everything about being a vet simply 'cause he's met a few. During and after my hitch in the 80's, I believe I've met a few myself. Even a lot of recent homecomers just last night at the VFW club. And the last thing they want to be regarded as is victims of the Bush administration. They expect to be treated as respected soldiers and nothing more. Being regarded as a "victim" is just an insult to them.

Anyway, Happy 4th! Even you Synth, if you happen to even celebrate it!



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Thanks Tuxon, you seem to be well informed about that... Gleam is not taking into account that talking about things without the proper information can easily make a fool of yourself... oh, but let's stop it here, Mr. Gleam doesn't like to be called an ignorant. We learnt it before when he presented us in another thread his theories about bulimia... Anyway, anybody who has followed some of the threads in which you have exposed your social and political ideas have by now a clear idea about what kind of person you are, Gleam, so no need to explain yourself.

I wasn't planning to answer you, but I'm not in a good mood this afternoon. So, if you meant that after the terrorist attack on those trains here in Spain we didn't bomb or invade any other country, then you are rigth, we didn't fight back. I guess the fact that most of the people wo took part on those attacks have already been captured by the police (or killed themselves when surrounded by them) is not important at all. But you know, we like to use police and judges, and not bombs and troops, we are funny europeans... And go figure those strange Spaniards, who let the terrorists have a lawyer and consider them criminals, instead of putting them away in Guantanamo. And can you imagine? They haven't even been tortured! Not even a little!!! Yes, I'm living in a country full of cowards, Gleam... And you know the worst part of it? If they are found guilty we are not injecting them something lethal of frying them in an electric chair, can you imagine that?

Now is it to become a Marine? I have no idea, but let's see if someone can enlighten us:

As an ex-Marine, I'm against a draft simply because an all volunteer armed force is better motivated. However, I would venture that the world would be a better place if service were compulsory.

My reasoning for this is simple. When you join your put through "boot camp", which is designed to break you down. The objective is to get everyone to the same level, your no longer black, white, asian or hispanic - your a scumbag. Then they build you back as a team, you learn how to rely on each other- you become a Marine. 

Most important, you get past race or whether the guy is gay (and there are and they fight just as good as the straight guys). You develop a code of comaradarie that every Marine carries with him/her the rest of their life.

Now believe me Gleam, we don't make anybody a scumbag in the University, and we don't need to build anybody back... Have you considered that the scumbag phase might just be permanent?

But yes, maybe I'm only living in a refugee for people who can't live in the real world. So, next time you or any of your relatives are taken to a hospital please think: those cowards in white coats were teached by someone like me, so please don't trust them: they could kill you!

There are many questions out there, Gleam. All you have to do is find information and think on them before having your own opinion. I'm not telling you which is the correct answer to many of them, for the simple reason that I don't know it. I can only tell you which is the WORST answer you can give: plese, Gleam, never say SIR, YES SIR!!!

 

OK Gleam, I think we better bury the hatchet. Yes, it wasn't too nice of me that coment about going vomiting, and I apologize for that. And I very much appreciate you recognising that "cheap shot". Also I apologize for quoting you, maybe out of context. Believe me, it is because I support your service men that I'm so angry at your government: I still think they shouldn't be there! Anyway, let's learn to disagree, OK? Oh, and thanks for promoting me to Professor (only a lecturer: maybe some day...)

Now, I'm sure neither your president nor ours have any idea of what to do with one of these: