Indukti- Idmen, 2.83 rating!?

Phideaux wrote: sinkadotentree wrote: any Joe Blow can give his opinion ...Ain't that the truth!  :-)  hahahaha

sinkadotentree wrote: Thanks for the input Micky. Those words make too much sense i just lost it for a second there.  I agree that's what's so cool about this site is that any Joe Blow can give his opinion, i think i need to step back and not take what other people say too seriously for my own sanity. I was doing so well there.Back to therapy.   Oh and thanks for bringing back your avatar. Now if we can only get Finnforest back in line.

no problem... I always did feel naked without it around here....it is my avatar across the internet

Jim has a been a  bit of an avatar whore recently..  his current one.... I love it. Great facial shot. 

back to the topic at hand...  it is a strength... AND a weakness I believe.   To outsiders.. this site looks populated at times by amateurs at best...  or by those who know sh*t about prog at worst.  However within the community.. it is important for people to have a say.  I've always thought the best middle ground was to only have collab reviewers hosted on the front page...  everyone gets their say.. but only the best reviewers represent the site.  That is life. .and the way life works...  no reason the site can't work like that.  All have their say... but the most talented .. the most well-spoken are the ones chosen to represent a firm, company, any kind of endeavor.  Oh well.. yet another suggestion ... in years of them that was dead upon arrival after I hit the 'enter' button.

sinkadotentree wrote: micky wrote: sinkadotentree wrote: Thanks for the input Micky. Those words make too much sense i just lost it for a second there.  I agree that's what's so cool about this site is that any Joe Blow can give his opinion, i think i need to step back and not take what other people say too seriously for my own sanity. I was doing so well there.Back to therapy.   Oh and thanks for bringing back your avatar. Now if we can only get Finnforest back in line. no problem... I always did feel naked without it around here....it is my avatar across the internet Jim has a been a  bit of an avatar whore recently..  his current one.... I love it. Great facial shot.  back to the topic at hand...  it is a strength... AND a weakness I believe.   To outsiders.. this site looks populated at times by amateurs at best...  or by those who know sh*t about prog at worst.  However within the community.. it is important for people to have a say.  I've always thought the best middle ground was to only have collab reviewers hosted on the front page...  everyone gets their say.. but only the best reviewers represent the site.  That is life. .and the way life works...  no reason the site can't work like that.  All have their say... but the most talented .. the most well-spoken are the ones chosen to represent a firm, company, any kind of endeavor.  Oh well.. yet another suggestion ... in years of them that was dead upon arrival after I hit the 'enter' button. That just makes too much sense Micky. I think you should base your platform around that and run for president.

That would make me a First Lady, and I'm sure you don't want that!

Now, back to the issue at hand (which, I believe, was a deviation of the original discussion). I believe the site's idea of allowing everyone the freedom to review the albums included in the DB was a good one at the beginning, but it definitely got out of hand. The ratings manipulation that occurs daily because of the possibility to post ratings without reviews has spiraled out of control (I read the Reviews Reporting thread), and the quality of a good deal of reviews is debatable to say the least.

 In my opinion, there should be a sort of quality control at the source, like there is on some other sites - perhaps not going to the lengths of having a regular staff of reviewers, and not allowing anyone else to write reviews - but at least a small team of editors. Low-quality reviews get posted every day, and when they are reported it is usually too late - people have seen them, and it's not good publicity for the site. The problem seems to be increasing exponentially, and I think it is time to figure out some viable solution. Just my 2 cents, of course...

This link might be of interest to some of you.  H.T. has written in his blog regarding the Indukti album. http://riekels.wordpress.com/

rushfan4 wrote: This link might be of interest to some of you.  H.T. has written in his blog regarding the Indukti album. http://riekels.wordpress.com/

Yes, I saw and read that.. I believe I am one of the few people who visits his blog and comments on his entries. HT is a great guy, and it was a real pleasure for us to meet him at last.

Raff wrote: sinkadotentree wrote: micky wrote: sinkadotentree wrote: Thanks for the input Micky. Those words make too much sense i just lost it for a second there.  I agree that's what's so cool about this site is that any Joe Blow can give his opinion, i think i need to step back and not take what other people say too seriously for my own sanity. I was doing so well there.Back to therapy.   Oh and thanks for bringing back your avatar. Now if we can only get Finnforest back in line. no problem... I always did feel naked without it around here....it is my avatar across the internet Jim has a been a  bit of an avatar whore recently..  his current one.... I love it. Great facial shot.  back to the topic at hand...  it is a strength... AND a weakness I believe.   To outsiders.. this site looks populated at times by amateurs at best...  or by those who know sh*t about prog at worst.  However within the community.. it is important for people to have a say.  I've always thought the best middle ground was to only have collab reviewers hosted on the front page...  everyone gets their say.. but only the best reviewers represent the site.  That is life. .and the way life works...  no reason the site can't work like that.  All have their say... but the most talented .. the most well-spoken are the ones chosen to represent a firm, company, any kind of endeavor.  Oh well.. yet another suggestion ... in years of them that was dead upon arrival after I hit the 'enter' button. That just makes too much sense Micky. I think you should base your platform around that and run for president. That would make me a First Lady, and I'm sure you don't want that! Now, back to the issue at hand (which, I believe, was a deviation of the original discussion). I believe the site's idea of allowing everyone the freedom to review the albums included in the DB was a good one at the beginning, but it definitely got out of hand. The ratings manipulation that occurs daily because of the possibility to post ratings without reviews has spiraled out of control (I read the Reviews Reporting thread), and the quality of a good deal of reviews is debatable to say the least.  In my opinion, there should be a sort of quality control at the source, like there is on some other sites - perhaps not going to the lengths of having a regular staff of reviewers, and not allowing anyone else to write reviews - but at least a small team of editors. Low-quality reviews get posted every day, and when they are reported it is usually too late - people have seen them, and it's not good publicity for the site. The problem seems to be increasing exponentially, and I think it is time to figure out some viable solution. Just my 2 cents, of course...

RAAAFFF!!   I think it would be awesome to have an Italian first lady.  Imagine the majestic music you would be playing in the White House.That place would never have been more colorful or alive. Just a dream of course. Although with Micky in charge maybe it's agood thing. Sorry Mick!

Epignosis wrote: Micky would ruin us all. First, he'd set up a huge universal healthcare system. THEN, he'd have a huge universal cigarette, beer, wine, and Diet Coke program, so that everyone would NEED the universal healthcare system. We'd be screwed!  But what fun it would be while it lasted!

rdtprog wrote: I really like this album but i know that it can be rough on the ears for someone who doesn't like too much intensity in music. It's like going to a horror movie and being shocked by some scenes. It's a extreme post-metal album...

Also I wasn't able to resist and keep my hands of this thread. Poor McFly. I've readed all arguments here and can add mine.

I think that someone who's ear taste lies in (how someone here said it), intensity in music is one side, where second one is the one, who's taste lies in more pleasant symphony (not attack on the ears, but rather pleasant, symphonic tune, right now, listening to Spaghetti epic reminds me that RPI is right word for it).

Extreme metal                       vs.                    Symphonic prog.

opposite sides of prog spectre (perhaps, from one point of view). But both sides are right, if someone listens a lot death/experimental/technical metal, he likes it. And tends to rate this kind of albums higher. One of these reasons is because he likes it (and therefore, sees the little good thing in it, sometimes un noticable for untrained eyes. This is how, undirectly, liking of album can influence final rating. 

I don't like this style (I admit it), but I've just gave 5 star rating to Crack the Skye, because it's probably best album from this genre I've ever heard. Technical album, which can appreciate newbies and also hardcore listeners of this style ? :-)

I can like both, but tends to be more on symphonic side. Nobody is balanced (50/50 doesn't exist :-), which makes one take the side, but that's just word play, I know), so you can be roughly balanced, or leaned to one of these two sides. Or create your own side. 

This is prog, this is huge definition. And when I know that I gave 2 star rating and you gave 5 makes me think about if I'm right. If I looked through the veil of hard style well. This means that Crack the Skye is far more accessible, when it hits me, while Idmen not ?

many things in this post, please read carefuly.

So I know  that you didn't mean it that way, but statistically speaking, you appreciate Idmen more than Crack (I'm on crack, who's more - just joke, nothing more, explanation is ceasing you form taking this other way than ironically :-D ), that's perhaps because I embrace symphonic traits. Even not Moon Safari type album (or Queen for example, I grew up while listening Queen), I like it. It's like lighthouse (things I know) in darkness (technical things, connected with that genre). Everyone needs his beacon, you can't go to the deep water without ability to swim, unless you're brave one. Very brave one.

Old Sabbath ? I even wrote in that review, that sometimes, vocals reminds me Ozzy. Well, I think that both of us (and after all, all people who gave bad/good rating here) can keep our reviews, as long as we respect each other's opinion and (in best case), we also understand each other's opinion. You gave 5, I was between 2-3 and gave 2. And I know that your review is more important and useful for people than mine is.

To put it that way, even prog reviewers/collabs write 100 words review from time to time, I don't want to give names, but it's nothing rare. I'm trying to write at least 200-300 words, but it's nothing in compare to those albums, where I can write 700 and more words instantly, just from sheer inspiration from music I've just listened. Among my 130 revs, I could find maybe 60-70, so half of them that I would consider as good. The rest, while not necessarily bad, are just average. And some of them are also bad. But most of us, who write reviews have these bad ones. Or at least some that are worse than others :-) Idmen could be one of them in my case. I tend to write less words for those albums I don't like/don't see any good in them.  

Edited by MartyMcFly89 - September 12 2009 at 16:38