Progressive vs Prog

emo ≠ screamo; emo = emotional

bhikkhu wrote: ^^^ This is all very true, but the labels are basically here for our users' benefit. It is a way for people who come to P.A. to more easily navigate our enormous database. The specific names themselves don't matter as much as the information they house. Sure, we want to have titles that best describe the music (and that leads to much debate), but it is the music itself that is most important.

One important thing to understand when talking about the arts (including literature) is that labelling is used extensively in all of them, so that it is an integral part of any kind of research on those subjects. In my PhD dissertation, which deals with the topic of fairy tales, I am using all kinds of classification, because this is the way things are supposed to be.

What we do here on PA, in spite of the criticism we may have received, is no different from what scholars have been doing for years in classifying the various folktale types - with the purpose of helping people navigate a genre which is extremely diverse. They may have sometimes gone a bit overboard, but what they did was absolutely necessary - as our genre-labelling is as well.

Darqdean wrote:

emo ≠ screamo; emo = emotional

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Darqdean wrote: emo ≠ screamo; emo = emotional   According to some research, emo is an abbreviatiopn for Screamo that is at teh same time an abbreviation for Scream + Emotional  = Emotional Scream = Screamo and later Emo.   Always the simplest acronyme is the one that survives.   But I may also be wrong   Iván

There's no such thing as prog rock. It's called progressive rock and is a mix of jazz and rock and started in the late 60s and ended in the early 80s ;)

darqdean wrote: Easy Money wrote: Since this site claims to be English only, then it seems to me we should use correct English (I know, my spelling is horrendous). Progressive is a real word that is defined in the dictionary so that it can be referenced to clarify things or settle an argument. Making up words like Prog (or prog) and giving them arbitrary definitions is confusing and no help to those who are new to English. Besides, I don't mean to be dramatic, but arbitrarily rewritting definitions seems a bit Orwellian and is an easy way to distort history. It just seems silly to say that prog is anything but short for progressive. In as much as I would agree with you semantically. When a word is used to prefix a style of music it's original meaning becomes moot. For example Pop-Music was originally intended to signify Popular Music, Folk-Music has little to do with the dictionalry definition of the world Folk, where is the soul in Soul? and there is nothing classical about modern Classical music. (I'll stop here before we even begin to consider the etymological root of the word Jazz )

Edited by Certif1ed - October 04 2007 at 03:01

Let me drag out my soapbox here, Classical is the most incorrectly used of those terms, the correct term is concert hall music. Classical music is a distinct period in concert hall music spanning approximately 1730-1820. Debussy is not Classical he is Impressionistic
Tchaikovsky is Romantic, so is Wagner and latter day Beethoven.
Stravinsky is post-Romantic and later Neo-Classical.
Bach is Baroque. (maybe he should give up on being a pro musician, ha ha)
Haydn and Mozart are classical.
Anyway I assume this is boring for most, so I'll give it a rest.

Edited by Easy Money - October 04 2007 at 09:32

I'm sure arguments over classification of concert hall music are as endless as who is progressive rock and who isn't. I hope I didn't open a Pandora's box. If you guys want to call everything that is played in a concert hall classical music I'm cool with that. Probably best to keep things simple. I just enjoy yacking about music trivia.

You're perfectly right. What I wanted to stress, however, are the obvious connections between prog and 'classical' music, which are more evident than the jazz influences, and that the previous poster seems to have overlooked.

That was the whole point of my thread....