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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 16:08 |
I thought Ghost Rider was about a cyclist.
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Logan
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Posted: April 29 2006 at 16:35 |
mystic fred wrote:
i am not a gentle giant fan, VDGG or anything
canterbury for that matter, i find it all rather twee, medieval and hey
nonny no or whatever you may call it but it takes all
sorts to make a world. i respect other members musical tastes and i
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VDGG is too twee for me (if it were fun in a twee way I could more
easily accept it). While I do think Gentle Giant has the
qualities you mentioned (all part of the charm and fun for me), I
appreciate the band's ballsiness.
Maybe you need to get in touch with your effeminate side to appreciate their Giant balls -- and they sure can rock.
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freebird
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 04:44 |
Visitor13 wrote:
They're excellent instrumentalists, but rarely write a decent tune. They're boring and lack inspiration. Their vocals are cheesy - I'd be able to cope with them if the songs were excellent, but they're not.
I'm aware that they are one of the most compositionally and instrumentally advanced bands in the archives. Well, it counts for nothing if you can't infuse your musical knowledge and capabilities with life. And GG rarely could bring a vibrant energy to their compositions, IMO. The impressive level of sophistication these compositions achieve doesn't make up for it. A shame really, since the concept behind the music is wonderful - only the execution is half of what it should be.
On the whole, I like Spock's Beard more. They're not as complex and much more poppy. And maybe this is why I find them better - because they're simpler they're more catchy. And they stay catchy, as well, while Gentle Giant stay average. A case of less is more.
Does anyone else agree with me?
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GG vocals are definately an aquired taste! Did they ever do any long instrumentals?
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____VdGG____
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 20:10 |
The instrumental section in Peel The Paint is kind of long, but the whole song with vocals is only like 7:30.
And as for boring and uninspired, is that supposed to be some sort of joke? The vocals are light and fun and quirky, and they're songs are abound with vibrance and feeling. So no, Visitor 13, I strongly disagree with you on all points, and I find Spock's Beard to be boring to boot
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Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams;
Mind and machinery box-press our dreams
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zeld4
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 21:50 |
mystic fred wrote:
i am not a gentle giant fan, VDGG or anything canterbury for that matter, i find it all rather twee, medieval and hey nonny no or whatever you may call it but it takes all sorts to make a world. i respect other members musical tastes and i don't believe in calling any music rubbish. |
my friend calls it "Oompa Loompa" music... ahhahaa. mostly because of Knots. i like the "hey nonny no" hahah
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This is what i've listened to this week:
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mrgd
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 23:10 |
I've never associated GG with Morris dancing or Shakespearean inspired ditties, but if that's how some people see them, I'm glad I don't wear the same kind of spectacles. [perhaps I'm like the hare and I've lost mine].......VdGG , I second that emotion!
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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Rapataz
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 04:41 |
wooty wrote:
Odd24 wrote:
[QUOTE=Visitor13]
Does anyone else agree with me?
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Hey! Hey! Hey! Whoa! Let's not go that far! This is turning into a forum attacking some of my favorite music (again![Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) ![Shocked](smileys/smiley3.gif) ) Bitches Brew is Sacred and Holy to me . How about we just attack Spock's Beard?![Smile](smileys/smiley1.gif)
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agreed
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jojim
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 05:36 |
I'm in GG music since 1973. First album I heard was "three friends". I was overwhelmed. I liked it for it's strange sounds and atmospheres (the fine voices, the reverb of the voices, the reverb on the piano, the three dimensional rooms they created) and for their power and rythmic punctuations (mighty sax and guitar work). - I went back to the earlier albums, found them pretty pleasing. Went with the new albums till "Free hand". Then I lost a bit interest because they became maniacs of their style.
Today I feel that they have done good pieces of music. The only album I like as a whole is still "Three friends". There is IMHO no bad track on it. On the other albums are now and then queer songs to digest. But also wonderful songs to admire.
So I would say that GG is one of the most innovatory groups of the prog rock era. When I listen to some SPOCKS BEARD songs using the GG vocal style I have to laugh. This is not bad music, but it is a quote. They think perhaps it is artistic to do so. Not to blame. But ...
I don't want to miss any other group I like. And GG definitely belongs to that circle. Everyone who doesn't try to catch their music (or parts of it) is depriving himself of marvelous moments of musical atmospheres.
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YES - Close to the edge / UK - UK / GENESIS - The lamb lies down / KING CRIMSON - Discipline / MIKE OLDFIELD - Tubular bells / JETHRO TULL - Aqualung / GENTLE GIANT - Three friends / TMO - IMF
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Certif1ed
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:09 |
GG are probably the finest of all the Prog bands in terms of musicianship, songwriting and innovation.
If you don't like them, don't worry - some people don't like Beethoven.
You don't have to like music of a high quality if you don't want to.
That's why we have opinions...
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DallasBryan
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:26 |
Gentle Giant, Van der Graff Generator, Rush and Magma will always be a mixed bag. Some think they found something new, unique and special(kinda like being a Trekkie). Some will think that they mostly created a bunch of crap and some good music. I tend to fall towards the bunch of crap crowd! GG did have some excellent musicians but they never quite got rid of the complexities which the music style didnt support and were not able to turn their ideas into shear power which they touched on with Octopus and Free Hand.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 17:30 |
Visitor13, my fellow countryman, how deeply wrong you are...
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
Charles Bukowski
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Visitor13
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 18:30 |
Certif1ed wrote:
GG are probably the finest of all the Prog bands in terms of musicianship, songwriting and innovation.
If you don't like them, don't worry.
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Oh, I'm not at all worried about not liking them - it seems it's the Gentle Giant fans who do the worrying here.
I mean, why the 6 pages of (mainly) rebuttals? I was perfectly aware of the popularity GG enjoys on this site and I was specifically asking for opinions similar to mine only, to check just how outnumbered I was. The 5 or 6 responses I should have got would be proof enough for my being in the minority - not that I needed that proof in the first place.
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mrgd
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Posted: May 03 2006 at 00:38 |
SO what was the point of the post? [It's a rhetorical question only-- not seeking a response. You've said it all].
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Looking still the same after all these years...
mrgd
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