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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 29 2018 at 06:18 |
Mascodagama wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
richardh wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Prog has been "in crisis" since the late seventies...
That said, it's been a slow year. |
Yep.....it had some popularity in the 70's with the big names we all know but it has always been 'in crisis' so to speak. I don't think that has changed much in 40 years.
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only took us 5 pages to get there this time  | But it isn't really true though. Retro-bands/artists exist in all genres. But listen to various 70's prog - you know ELP, Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream... and then Kayo Dot, Secret Chiefs 3, Vektor, Tortoise, Radiohead... (whether you like them or not is beside the point) - if we somehow could send their albums 45 years back in time, I'm certain a 1973-prog connoisseur would fail to associate those sounds as Progressive Rock. |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
richardh wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Prog has been "in crisis" since the late seventies...
That said, it's been a slow year. |
Yep.....it had some popularity in the 70's with the big names we all know but it has always been 'in crisis' so to speak. I don't think that has changed much in 40 years.
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only took us 5 pages to get there this time  |
But it isn't really true though. Retro-bands/artists exist in all genres. But listen to various 70's prog - you know ELP, Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream... and then Kayo Dot, Secret Chiefs 3, Vektor, Tortoise, Radiohead... (whether you like them or not is beside the point) - if we somehow could send their albums 45 years back in time, I'm certain a 1973-prog connoisseur would fail to associate those sounds as Progressive Rock. |
Have to agree with this. The prevalent idea suggested in many PA quarters that Kayo Dot, Secret Chiefs 3, Tortoise, Mars Volta, Radiohead etc are continuing a tradition set by the 1st Gen early 70's proggers is at best, poorly researched nonsense. There's an old adage that the homosexual's' worst fear is acceptance. Maybe Progressive Rock's worst fear is popularity? | This seems rather like a straw man to me. From where I stand the reason why these and similar artists can be said to continue a 'progressive' lineage that began in the late sixties is that they are seeking to expand the musical horizons of rock now, just as the artists of the classic period of prog were doing in their own time. That doesn't imply musical similarity but rather the contrary - the continuity is meta-musical, residing in the desire to push at the boundaries. |
The argument I'm refuting is that of Dr Wu23 who states that Progressive Rock has always been unpopular. Not sure where the straw-man appears from? Your argument is just a retelling of the Prog v progressive debate
Edited by ExittheLemming - June 29 2018 at 06:21
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Mascodagama
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Posted: June 29 2018 at 06:28 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Mascodagama wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
richardh wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Prog has been "in crisis" since the late seventies...
That said, it's been a slow year. |
Yep.....it had some popularity in the 70's with the big names we all know but it has always been 'in crisis' so to speak. I don't think that has changed much in 40 years.
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only took us 5 pages to get there this time  | But it isn't really true though. Retro-bands/artists exist in all genres. But listen to various 70's prog - you know ELP, Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream... and then Kayo Dot, Secret Chiefs 3, Vektor, Tortoise, Radiohead... (whether you like them or not is beside the point) - if we somehow could send their albums 45 years back in time, I'm certain a 1973-prog connoisseur would fail to associate those sounds as Progressive Rock. |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
richardh wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
miamiscot wrote:
Prog has been "in crisis" since the late seventies...
That said, it's been a slow year. |
Yep.....it had some popularity in the 70's with the big names we all know but it has always been 'in crisis' so to speak. I don't think that has changed much in 40 years.
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only took us 5 pages to get there this time  |
But it isn't really true though. Retro-bands/artists exist in all genres. But listen to various 70's prog - you know ELP, Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream... and then Kayo Dot, Secret Chiefs 3, Vektor, Tortoise, Radiohead... (whether you like them or not is beside the point) - if we somehow could send their albums 45 years back in time, I'm certain a 1973-prog connoisseur would fail to associate those sounds as Progressive Rock. |
Have to agree with this. The prevalent idea suggested in many PA quarters that Kayo Dot, Secret Chiefs 3, Tortoise, Mars Volta, Radiohead etc are continuing a tradition set by the 1st Gen early 70's proggers is at best, poorly researched nonsense. There's an old adage that the homosexual's' worst fear is acceptance. Maybe Progressive Rock's worst fear is popularity? | This seems rather like a straw man to me. From where I stand the reason why these and similar artists can be said to continue a 'progressive' lineage that began in the late sixties is that they are seeking to expand the musical horizons of rock now, just as the artists of the classic period of prog were doing in their own time. That doesn't imply musical similarity but rather the contrary - the continuity is meta-musical, residing in the desire to push at the boundaries. |
The argument I'm refuting is that of Dr Wu23 who states that Progressive Rock has always been unpopular. Not sure where the straw-man appears from? Your argument is just a retelling of the Prog v progressive debate
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I'm aware there's nothing new in the argument I was making, but it does seem rather pertinent to the actual words in your and Saperlipopette!'s preceding posts.
Edited by Mascodagama - June 29 2018 at 06:29
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M27Barney
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Posted: June 29 2018 at 09:36 |
The sea within has arrived. Crisis averted....
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richardh
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Posted: June 30 2018 at 02:04 |
^ Got mine delivered together in the same package with yet another Carl Palmer DVD and the usual re-treading of old ground. Some irony maybe..
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