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Points: 20808 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2014 at 16:53
The referee boards I've been reading pretty much agreed that four players could have gotten red, Howedes, Schweinsteiger, Mascherano & Aguero, but not Neuer. They also agreed the ref did a pretty good job managing the game and keeping everyone on the field.

Get over it Argentina, start looking at Messi, Palacio & Higuain who all should have scored. 

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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 


If you go through a player with both feet off the ground and studs showing it can certainly be a straight red, we've seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 


If you go through a player with both feet off the ground and studs showing it can certainly be a straight red, we've seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.
Not when you are the GK, you jump and make contact with the ball, and basic physics cause you to hit the running body in front of you. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 


If you go through a player with both feet off the ground and studs showing it can certainly be a straight red, we've seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.
Not when you are the GK, you jump and make contact with the ball, and basic physics cause you to hit the running body in front of you. 


Oh I agree, not on the GK, I was reading as a comment on outfield players.
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Points: 13416 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2014 at 18:27
It was a fantastic game and the Argentinians should be proud, they could have won it with some clutch finishing. Regardless it was entertaining back and forth football.
While I agree the Argentinians got away with some nastiness I feel that if the ref was more "by the book" it would have stopped, still i'm glad he let them play but it could have gotten out of hand. This from a hockey fan.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 


If you go through a player with both feet off the ground and studs showing it can certainly be a straight red, we've seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.
Not when you are the GK, you jump and make contact with the ball, and basic physics cause you to hit the running body in front of you. 

Exactly, pure inertia

Neuer jumped to the ball, he hit the ball with the hand, both the Argentinean player and him kept running towards the ball, that was part of the game.

Neuer never pointed the studs towards the Argentinean player.

This two guys did




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Yup that's the one
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I have just read that Grondona (Argentinian Vice President of FIFA)  personally asked for Rzzolli after his performance in the game between Belgium and Argentina.

Why so much crying?

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Well he really shouldn't do that
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Well he really shouldn't do that

Well, we know what Blatter, Grondona and the rest of the FIFA rulers are
            
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Please also bear in mind that the dictates of FIFA officiating are such that refs are instructed to penalise a challenge that wins the ball cleanly (with no contact with the ball carrier) if it is deemed to have used 'excessive force'
(I don't agree with this myself, as an ex amateur defender for 20 years, but FIFA will do whatever is required to appeal to the untapped spending power of a demographic who consider goals the be all and end all of this sport)
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I'd have a had time blowing the whistle for a foul if the player doesn't make any contact with the opponent however recklessly he threw himself into the challenge unless by getting out the the way the player loses possession of the ball. But I know you are right with the instruction, I've seen it plenty of times. Personally I'd tend to wave play on if the player still has the ball and have a quiet word with the other player that if he'd actually made contact he may well have been off.
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Originally posted by Fede Fede wrote:

I'm really surprised by all the anti-Argentina comments here, how can you say that wasn't a penalty as big as the Maracaná stadium is beyond me, makes me think if you ever played football in your life Confused

Anyway, congrats to Germany

Its not an anti-Argentina slant except that only Argentinians fail to see that their playing style has always been rough and often ballistic , not the most gracious winners or losers but that is because the very proud Argentinians view themselves with a special gleam that can be painful for outsiders to comprehend. I remain a huge fan of the Kempes/Luque/Passarella era , when they were truly magical and a delight to watch. 

The Albiceleste are the Broad Street Bullies (Philadelphia Flyers of the NHL) of football. Wink
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 


If you go through a player with both feet off the ground and studs showing it can certainly be a straight red, we've seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.
Not when you are the GK, you jump and make contact with the ball, and basic physics cause you to hit the running body in front of you. 

Exactly, pure inertia

Neuer jumped to the ball, he hit the ball with the hand, both the Argentinean player and him kept running towards the ball, that was part of the game.

Neuer never pointed the studs towards the Argentinean player.

This two guys did




My point was (and no I haven't read the rules and I can't be bothered to find it) if an out player goes in studs first and takes the ball and then goes through the opposition player it would be a red card.  THerefore if the keeper does the same it would also be a red card.  Initially, Ivan, I thought you were talking about any player but I see you meant GK - but that doesn't change what I think. 

I don't think keepers have cart blanche to put someone in hospital as long as they touch the ball first.
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

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If someone goes in studs up and both feet off the ground. Even if he gets the ball first it doesn't matter - he's off!


No. Read the rules 


If you go through a player with both feet off the ground and studs showing it can certainly be a straight red, we've seen plenty of those over the last couple of years.
Not when you are the GK, you jump and make contact with the ball, and basic physics cause you to hit the running body in front of you. 

Exactly, pure inertia

Neuer jumped to the ball, he hit the ball with the hand, both the Argentinean player and him kept running towards the ball, that was part of the game.

Neuer never pointed the studs towards the Argentinean player.

This two guys did




My point was (and no I haven't read the rules and I can't be bothered to find it) if an out player goes in studs first and takes the ball and then goes through the opposition player it would be a red card.  THerefore if the keeper does the same it would also be a red card.  Initially, Ivan, I thought you were talking about any player but I see you meant GK - but that doesn't change what I think. 

I don't think keepers have cart blanche to put someone in hospital as long as they touch the ball first.

Of course, any player who goes in studs first, will receive a yellow card if doesn't touch the rival (Intention) and red card if he hits the rival (Aggression).

My point was that this wasn't the case.
            
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I don't think keepers have cart blanche to put someone in hospital as long as they touch the ball first.

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Originally posted by Fede Fede wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I don't think keepers have cart blanche to put someone in hospital as long as they touch the ball first.

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None was put in a hospital. Nobody gave them cart blanche. 

I don't think humans can avoid the laws of physics really. 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Fede Fede wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I don't think keepers have cart blanche to put someone in hospital as long as they touch the ball first.

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None was put in a hospital. Nobody gave them cart blanche. 


Well there was one man in the hospital



Quote More World Cup:

Germany midfielder Christoph Kramer left Sunday's World Cup final after taking a nasty shot to the head. He almost certainly suffered a concussion.

That's not a huge deal on its face -- players get injured. There is contact in soccer. The problem is Kramer played for approximately 14 minutes after taking a blow to the face before coming off the field looking dazed.

Following the match, Kramer told German newspaper Die Welt that he has no memory of the game's first half.

"I can't really remember much of the game," he said, according to The Independent.

"I don't know anything at all about the first half. I thought later that I left the game immediately after the tackle. I have no idea how I got to the changing rooms. I don't know anything else. In my head, the game starts from the second half."

Kramer admitted to the Associated Press, as well, that he didn't remember much from the game, then he also somewhat bizarrely wished his grandmother a happy birthday.

"I can't remember very much but it doesn't matter now," he told the AP. "I have to send regards to my grandmother. She has a birthday today and I couldn't reach her."

There has been plenty of crowing from ex-players and media regarding the lack of concussion protocols in soccer, and, as of now, FIFA doesn't seem to have much interest in putting any sort of safeguards in place. And this wasn't an isolated incident, as there were at least three other instances when players took head shots and remained on the field.

Given the wealth of knowledge we now have about the dangers of concussions, it's pretty obvious that something needs to change.

http://www.cbssports.com/world-cup/eye-on-world-cup/24620696/germanys-christoph-kramer-has-no-memory-of-finals-first-half

And he isn't an Argentinean.

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