Most Controversial/Persistant Nominees?

 

*clears throat*

 

 

 

 

 

It's not easy to get bands deleted, but it's not difficult either. Admins cannot delete bands, only M@X has that power and a few bands have been deleted over the years. One notable case of course was My Dying Bride, who were re-added 4 years later.

 

And that's the nub of the matter - there is no consensus even amoungst the collabs and we have to find the underlying trend behind the he-who-shouts-loudest. All the contentious legacy bands have their albums reviewed and rated - most of those bands have 3 and 4-star averaging albums (if not all - too lazy busy to check, but certainly the three prog metal bands mentioned here have 4-star averaging albums in their discographies). While that isn't proof positive, it is an indication that this is not a clear-cut case for deletion - while people are giving 5-star ratings to albums as Essential: a masterpiece of progressive rock music, (which statistically at least 50% of the people must be to achive a 4-star averaging album), then the vast majority who reviewed/rated the album (ie gave 3,4 & 5 stars) believe the album to be progressive rock/metal. The case for deletion has to be pretty conclusive to override that opinion, and that is the "impossible" in your statement.

 

 

 

It could only ever be consistent if all the additions were down to one person, (and I'm sure there are many people would would love that power, but few [if any] who could carry the responsibility).

It has been questioned in the past on this forum whether Pink Floyd is prog. That makes them ( and Genesis, Yes, Tangerine Dream, Mike Oldfield, Jethro Tull, Dream Theater, etc., etc.) controversial in someone's estimation.

I concur.  In my general experience, and not just here but in discussing with musicians and listeners, prog metal people evaluate whether a band qualifies as prog metal or not in relation to metal and not the whole rock music umbrella.  That imo works fine at say metal-archives where prog metal is a metal genre, but not here where it is a prog genre.  Even though it is unintentional, it almost seems discriminatory to use a different yardstick for one sub.  In a nutshell, what is prog metal for a metal database need not necessarily be prog metal as a prog rock sub genre on PA and if we say that it is, then even that jazz rock/fusion music which is not considered prog enough for PA would have a strong case, a lot of 60s psychedelic rock bands would have a strong case too.   I am sure people are going to question that but if you do can you really convincingly argue for why Nightwish is undoubtedly prog rock on a website where Radiohead being prog has been accepted grudgingly and reluctantly.    Now, if you think Nightwish is more prog than Radiohead, I rest my case.   It is easier to make a case for why Nightwish, at least at the time of the release of Oceanborn, was a little out of the norm in the metal scene but, if we look at it that way, what about Sabbath, Purple, Rainbow, Iron Maiden or Metallica's defining contributions to metal, all of which is slotted in prog related and not prog metal?  What about Judas Priest's 70s albums, which aren't even on PA?  If the argument is that they are not prog rock, it is not very difficult to argue against Nightwish that way either.  

It is not necessary to delete them from the archives but at least the PM team's position on Nightwish has to be clarified and the idea that maybe they are prog enough for Prog Related but not Prog Metal could be considered.  I feel that with Nightwish's presence in the archives, the case for rejecting say Stratovarius becomes much more difficult and flimsy (not that I personally want power metal in the prog metal sub, no).  It is not logical to say Nightwish was accepted by a different set of collabs and nothing can be done about it now.  If it's on the PM database, it has to be considered while evaluating new suggestions.  I obviously don't mean ONLY the band being somewhat like Nightwish is justification enough. It should be consistent with the cross-section of bands in that sub but PM team members frequently go, "Don't bring up Nightwish". I don't think that makes sense.