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Posted: May 20 2013 at 11:47

Listen to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdB-8eLEW8g

And than to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFRhhcA4Q6w

(It might help to only hear the intro on the first link.)

There is definitely a difference here.

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Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:45

I am so glad to see you have taken notice of 432hz....within 13 years hopefully we will be listening to it on the Wireless :)

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Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:46

Facebook : Jessica Regan Newcastle NSW Australia :)

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Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:52

Just thought I would mention that I also have had trouble getting the word out there re: 432hz...if I was in a movie and had a really low top on I would swear that this topic is being watched and monitored..... It would also be a really good plot line to include that clearly the Government whomever that may be does not want this information out there.....because it causes less stress and peace....therefore no chaos and money for the greedy. :)

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Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:53

money for the greedy..... = 440z

peace = 432 hz

to refine

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Posted: June 09 2015 at 19:35

what in the living f**k? Confused

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Posted: June 10 2015 at 00:28

Clearly some seriously whacked conspiracy theory. I am certain that no empirical double-blind study exists that validates even a tiny fraction of this nonsense. Beethoven is heavenly at 432 or 440...

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Posted: June 13 2015 at 04:49

The 432 Hz sounds muffled. There has obviously been done something with it, even during recording they were turning the buttons, I think. The 440 Hz, on the other hand, sounds a bit shrill. I think I'd go for 438 Hz, based on these samples.

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Posted: July 15 2015 at 11:25

432 / 440hz argument is a non argument. Most people THINK they can hear a difference, they can't. It's psychological.

Saxes used to be sold as "high pitch / low pitch" to cope with this. Most "high pitch" saxes became unsaleable as people worried that they wouldn't play in tune with other low pitch saxes.

In the rare case that anyone could tell the difference... what you do is either slightly slacken your jaw OR move the mouthpiece back a few millimetres. Problem - non problem, even - solved.

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Posted: July 16 2015 at 07:10

As a sax player, one of the things you get taught is "You play in tune. The sax doesn't".

And this is quite correct. Most saxes will get near to a note, but you basically have to adjust the pitch yourself to fine tune it. This comes with practice.

So. If we assume that I have to play in *perfect* pitch, I go on stage (with a directional microphone and oscilloscope or a digital tuner) and take extra care with every single note. The audience, who would all have directional microphones and oscilloscopes, would obviously be paying special attention.

Of course, we'd have to take atmospheric pressure into account, tuning, say, the drum kit up and down for difference in sea level. And better not use Gibson guitars, because, Fact Fans, the 24 3/4 scale on most Gibsons is fretted up incorrectly, so you get minor intonation errors.

I'd expect nothing less than my picky fans to play our music on vinyl, heaven forfend that their record deck didn't revolve at precisely 33.333 recurring RPM, otherwise that'd put the pitch out, too.

Edited by Davesax1965 - July 16 2015 at 07:14

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Posted: July 16 2015 at 07:13

PS Beethoven. If we're on nit-picky correctness, the standards for orchestral timing changed in the 19th century. Beethoven used to be played a lot faster. ;-)

Seriously, was this thread a good idea ????

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twseel Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 15 2012 Location: abroad Status: Offline Points: 22767	Posted: May 20 2013 at 11:47
	Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdB-8eLEW8g And than to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFRhhcA4Q6w (It might help to only hear the intro on the first link.) There is definitely a difference here.

JessicaRegan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 07 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4	Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:45
	I am so glad to see you have taken notice of 432hz....within 13 years hopefully we will be listening to it on the Wireless :)

JessicaRegan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 07 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4	Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:46
	Facebook : Jessica Regan Newcastle NSW Australia :)

JessicaRegan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 07 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4	Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:52
	Just thought I would mention that I also have had trouble getting the word out there re: 432hz...if I was in a movie and had a really low top on I would swear that this topic is being watched and monitored..... It would also be a really good plot line to include that clearly the Government whomever that may be does not want this information out there.....because it causes less stress and peace....therefore no chaos and money for the greedy. :)

JessicaRegan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: June 07 2015 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4	Posted: June 07 2015 at 07:53
	money for the greedy..... = 440z peace = 432 hz to refine

Padraic Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169	Posted: June 09 2015 at 19:35
	what in the living f**k?

Cailyn Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: November 22 2014 Location: Wisconsin, USA Status: Offline Points: 120	Posted: June 10 2015 at 00:28
	Clearly some seriously whacked conspiracy theory. I am certain that no empirical double-blind study exists that validates even a tiny fraction of this nonsense. Beethoven is heavenly at 432 or 440...
	http://www.cailynmusic.com

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24295	Posted: June 13 2015 at 04:49
	The 432 Hz sounds muffled. There has obviously been done something with it, even during recording they were turning the buttons, I think. The 440 Hz, on the other hand, sounds a bit shrill. I think I'd go for 438 Hz, based on these samples.


Davesax1965 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839	Posted: July 15 2015 at 11:25
	432 / 440hz argument is a non argument. Most people THINK they can hear a difference, they can't. It's psychological. Saxes used to be sold as "high pitch / low pitch" to cope with this. Most "high pitch" saxes became unsaleable as people worried that they wouldn't play in tune with other low pitch saxes. In the rare case that anyone could tell the difference... what you do is either slightly slacken your jaw OR move the mouthpiece back a few millimetres. Problem - non problem, even - solved.


Davesax1965 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839	Posted: July 16 2015 at 07:10
	As a sax player, one of the things you get taught is "You play in tune. The sax doesn't". And this is quite correct. Most saxes will get near to a note, but you basically have to adjust the pitch yourself to fine tune it. This comes with practice. So. If we assume that I have to play in perfect pitch, I go on stage (with a directional microphone and oscilloscope or a digital tuner) and take extra care with every single note. The audience, who would all have directional microphones and oscilloscopes, would obviously be paying special attention. Of course, we'd have to take atmospheric pressure into account, tuning, say, the drum kit up and down for difference in sea level. And better not use Gibson guitars, because, Fact Fans, the 24 3/4 scale on most Gibsons is fretted up incorrectly, so you get minor intonation errors. I'd expect nothing less than my picky fans to play our music on vinyl, heaven forfend that their record deck didn't revolve at precisely 33.333 recurring RPM, otherwise that'd put the pitch out, too. Edited by Davesax1965 - July 16 2015 at 07:14


Davesax1965 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2013 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 2839	Posted: July 16 2015 at 07:13
	PS Beethoven. If we're on nit-picky correctness, the standards for orchestral timing changed in the 19th century. Beethoven used to be played a lot faster. ;-) Seriously, was this thread a good idea ????