what about joe satriani?

^ what's your reason ... why should pure shredders be added? I seriously want to understand this.

satriani not a shredder? i can go all technicals about why his a shredder, and i can all so find you the definition of  "shred", but  A) my english suck, and its taking me to much time to type in english, and B) i really dont want to. and they are "only shredders", most of they music is focusing on the guitar playing, and not on the band as whole. for example petrucci is all so a shreader, but in DT case they work as a group. unlike satriani vai and Malmsteen that in they case its focusing on the guitar playing... but over all its all  shred, and in MY opinion its should be considered as prog.  and i just wondering, what would you call satch (genre of course)? 

shred is the force that stands behind allot of the prog. its one of the the thing that makes fusion fusion.
if you take symphony x and take away the symphonic part, it still be considered as prog just because of Michael Romeo who is a great SHREADER! shread is a big part of prog metal as well. shred = high playing ability, and yes in prog  high playing ability is impotent.  so if you had a metal band that use allot of shread you would considered it as prog, but when you have a true genius like satriani that use only shred, then his not? shred is a big part of prog.

show me some daring, experimental stuff.

how many guitar players you know that did what he did before him (pure instrumental guitar shred).
i really cant think even about one name right now. Satch was the first shredder to sell  A LOT of records for a major label.

he should be in prog related.

Satriani is Jazz/Fusion  all the way as far as I am concerned. Sadly, it is not up to me whether or not to include the man. I have in in the Jazz-Rock/Fusion section of my album shelf at home, but the archives doesn't consider him unique enough to include him. While I certainly do not agree with this opinion, alas this is the way it is.

However I do agree that if Steve Vai is good enough for "Prog-Related", Satriani should be as well. That, however, is up to the admins, who call the shots when it comes to the PR section of the 'chives. I personally hope that one day artists like Dimmu Borgir, Andreas Vollenweider and yes, Joe Satriani will find their rightful place here, and if PR ends up being where they reside, that's just fine by me. At least they would be here.

Atavachron wrote: ^ well does he avoid the plastic, vapid commercial crap that shows up on almost every Satch album?  I love Satriani but he's recorded some God awful stuff that's purely intended for mass appeal.. nothing wrong with that but it's a reason one could site for non-inclusion at a prog site

I've read that here about Hogarth's Marillion. Or even Neo - Prog in general. Don't agree with it. Mind you, I'm just starting to get into Brave & Marbles. Have yet to see why some see absolutely no prog in there ???

debrewguy wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Well ... as a matter of fact there are some more shredders which were cleared for addition by the PMT: JT Bruce, Chris Brooks, Marty Friedman, Kiko Loureiro, Tony MacAlpine, Chris Poland and Ron Thal.  Awright ! I love this guy. Once we get Friedman & Poland in, we'll be able to push for Megadeth's inclusion. Then Dave Mustaine will be able to claim one victory over his old bandmates in M@$#%^^#a!

when a shredder works with a band its prog(DT) , but when the shredder works as a "shredder" (pure shredder)  you say its not prog. satriani dont have a genre, and as a shreader (shred is a technic that more  "visible" in fusion and prog metal then in any other genre) he should be in prog related.

so lets do it like this, if his not prog what is he?

well, the last time I heard Satriani was about 10 years ago, and he definitely was NOT a shredder back then. he may have changed though recently; I don't know about that. but back then his intonation reminded me a lot of Steve Hackett, however mad that may sound to you

MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ sorry, but he's the textbook definition of "guitar shredder" ... together with Vai and all the other guys who they invite on the G3 tours. IMO the two key guitar shredder albums are Steve Vai's Passion and Warfare and Joe Satriani's Surfing with the Alien, both are from the 80s. BTW: shredding doesn't have to be mindless ... it just refers to music which is inherently technical and virtuosic. I don't know about Hackett, but there's a cool Howe shred album too (Quantum Guitar).

I can only repeat that this is not how the man came through to me. the music was by no means overly virtuosic; it was more about sound. of course there were virtuosic parts in it, but definitely not all the time, else I wouldn't remember him favorably. I tire very quickly from players who play virtuosic all the time. unfortunately I don't remember what album I heard of him

BaldJean wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ sorry, but he's the textbook definition of "guitar shredder" ... together with Vai and all the other guys who they invite on the G3 tours. IMO the two key guitar shredder albums are Steve Vai's Passion and Warfare and Joe Satriani's Surfing with the Alien, both are from the 80s. BTW: shredding doesn't have to be mindless ... it just refers to music which is inherently technical and virtuosic. I don't know about Hackett, but there's a cool Howe shred album too (Quantum Guitar). I can only repeat that this is not how the man came through to me. the music was by no means overly virtuosic; it was more about sound. of course there were virtuosic parts in it, but definitely not all the time, else I wouldn't remember him favorably. I tire very quickly from players who play virtuosic all the time. unfortunately I don't remember what album I heard of him

Who said something about "all the time"?