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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 03:01
Originally posted by superprog superprog wrote:

Laswell also plays on this awesome project called Phantom City, assembled by sound texturalist Paul Schutze.  also features Julian Priester, Raoul Bjorkkeinen and other musicians. 
 
Their album Site Anubis (1996) is a great 'virtual band' whereby the musicians were never in the same studio and never heard one another together, everyone played and improvised along to selected bits e.g. Laswell only improv-ed along to Schutze's electronic sounds etc
 
Everything else was assembled in the studio by Schutze but this is no hip hop cut n paste its Macero-style fusion rock assemblage!!!
 
check it out!!!!
 
I am not entierly comfortable with pieces assembled without personal interaction and interplay, but I observe your recommendation with an open mind and I thank you for that! 
 
It may not be appropriate as an example in this thread but my long held view is that on Cream - Live, Vol I. both Bruce and Clapton accidentally hit the wrong key at times and the other immediately goes to rescue by following suit and they come back together, nicely. Of course, I refer to improvised music here, something that would be near impossible to do via assembly?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 05:41

well i havent heard Cream Live but i really think what the whole Phantom City project was abt was to take what Miles and Teo did on Bitches Brew, Big Fun etc one step further by having the musicians improvise with one another but not as a complete band in the same room/time, and then put the results together with a composer's or curator's ear.

so i wld still say contents-wise its improvised music but the album as a work is not.  But if you want it 100% live improv-ed then you can check out the live album called Shiva Recoil (Live/Unlive) where the musicians do get together on stage at a jazz festival in Finland w/o prior rehearsals...... 
 
aha!!! then if you like the results then pls pls pls also check out the works of mighty Supersilent........serious improvised free jazz fusion electronic soundart!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 14:51
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2006 at 06:11
Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

 
It may not be appropriate as an example in this thread but my long held view is that on Cream - Live, Vol I. both Bruce and Clapton accidentally hit the wrong key at times and the other immediately goes to rescue by following suit and they come back together, nicely. Of course, I refer to improvised music here, something that would be near impossible to do via assembly?
What do you think?  
 
Miles Beyond: The Electric Explorations of Miles Davis, 1967-1991
 
Paul Tingen, relates that Miles Davis's skill as a live band leader, was to recognise that a musican was heading off on the wrong key compared to the other players, and play something in a key that provided a great compromise and often a development in the improv.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2006 at 06:58

Electric Miles (Part Three)

 ‘Bitches Brew’ (1970)

 ‘In A Silent Way’ was released in September 1969 and received a very positive critic in the jazz field as well as in the rock field. After the ‘Silent Way’ sessions of February ’69, Miles had already planned ahead and in august 1969 (19th to 21th) he went back to the studio for new sessions, that would produce ‘Bitches Brew’ and a real chock in the musical world. 

In A Silent Way’ was a revolution, even so a silent one, and Miles wanted to go further in that direction. The august sessions would be less revolutionary in a certain way, but on the other hand Miles would push the limits started in February to an extreme. The basic principal stayed the same : invite musicians, let the tapes roll, try to find new paths, try out new combinations  with the perspective to assemble the recorded material afterwards and form a coherent ensemble out of the puzzle.

The first change concerns the number of musicians, after having played for a long time with a quintet, Miles used an octet  for the ’Silent Way’  sessions and  invited now thirteen musicians ,who didn’t play all at the same time, but on  most  tracks there are at least 10 musicians playing. [Miles : trumpet, Wayne Shorter : Soprano sax, Bernie Maupin : bass clarinet, Joe Zawinul : e-piano, Chick Corea: e-piano, Herbie Hancock : e-piano (all three played the  ‘Fender Rhodes’) John Mc Laughlin : Guitar, Dave Holland : Bass,  Harvey Brooks : e-bass, Lenny White; drums, Jack De Johnette : drums, Don Alias: percussion & drums, Billy Cobham: drums, Jumma Santos : percussion, Airto Moreira : percussion.]

Now the first thing that catches the eye is the large amount of drummers/percussion players. On all tracks play two drummers and on several tracks two drummers and two percussion players at the same time. Second novelty in terms of orchestration : the bass clarinet (played by Bernie Maupin) especially in opposition to Wayne playing the high-pitched soprano-sax and Miles trumpet. ‘Silent Way’ was an eerie record,(recorded in winter) : Wayne played soprano-sax and Tony Williams,(who left after the February sessions) played mainly on the cymbals or excecuted his trademark rim-shots, putting the overall sound-spectrum in the higher frequencies. Now on ‘Bitches Brew’, recorded on three hot summer days, the sound had come back to earth, to the jungle, an hommage to Duke Ellington’s growling sound. The sound was more grounded : the bass was often doubled, the drummers played a heavy, funkier rhythm (Miles tried to approach the sound of Hendrix drummer Buddy Miles) and the use of bass clarinet. 

As for ‘Silent Way’ the main musical material for these sessions consisted of short riffs or melodic segments (‘lead’-riffs often played by Miles on the trumpet serving as a guideline for the band, (there are only two ‘compositions’ on the record : “Sanctuary”  by Wayne Shorter [ a Shorter composition that was already in the Quintet live repertory] and “Pharao’s Dance” by Joe Zawinul). Miles would use the concept of lead -riffs (and assorted hand movements in live situations) to direct the band and give signs for tempo changes. During the sessions, Miles spend a lot of time with producer Teo Macero in the control room giving indications to the musicians and joined the band when the groove was already on the way.

Another change concerns the post production :  Miles and Teo Macero spend nearly nine months on the post production.(Bitches Brew was only released in April of 1970) choosing the interesting material and editing it heavily. The most famous example is “Pharao’s Dance “ (20:05) which contained nineteen edits , including the use of tape loops, reverb & echo chambers, a real masterpiece of studio technique and nevertheless not clinic at all.

Contrary to ‘Silent Way’ which had a very unique and dense atmosphere ‘Bitches Brew’ contains different atmospheres and elements announced by the beautiful Mati Klarwein cover : music full of earth, air, fire & water. “Pharaos Dance” and the title track “Bitches Brew” are the most ‘experimental tracks (especially in terms of editing), the tension on these both tracks is gradually mounting with a complexe percussion carpet underneath while the other instruments weave an melodic pattern on top. The overall rhythm on the record had become heavier, a binary heavy funk that, would announce the ‘Jack Johnson’ sessions. Miles is now practically the only soloist on top of a rhythmic and melodic patchwork, with a special mention for Bernie Maupin’s bass-clarinet playing.”Sanctuary”  is the swan song of Wayne Shorter (who would leave the band at the end of the year) a beautiful melody and Miles nostalgic goodbye to the quintet. “John Mc Laughlin” was an edit of the title track “Bitches Brew” and features the guitarist. “Spanish key”  a spanish flavored piece reminding “Flamenco Sketches” ( ‘Kind Of Blue’) and “Miles Runs the Voodo Down” , the most linear track with an on-going funky rhythm, that would announce the soul-funk material that Miles would elaborate soon.

When ‘Bitches Brew’ was released in April 1970, it would become one of Miles best-selling records and divided the Jazz world into two camps not unlike Bob Dylan dividing the Folk scene by taking up the electric guitar some years earlier.

 

(à suivre)

 



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I use this thread for promote a really big band from Italy: PERIGEO!!!
 
Listen attentive this band!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 08:47
Originally posted by MANDRAKEROOT MANDRAKEROOT wrote:

I use this thread for promote a really big band from Italy: PERIGEO!!!
 
Listen attentive this band!!!
 
 
 
 
PERIGEO/ PERIGEO SPECIAL/ NEW PERIGEO story:
 
Perigeo/ Perigeo Special:
Tony Sidney (guitar)
Franco D'Andrea (keyboard)
Claudio Fasoli (sax)
Giovanni Tommaso (bass, contrabass and voice)
Bruno Biriaco (drums, percussions)
 
New Perigeo:
Maurizio Giammarco (sax)
Danilo Rea (keyboards)
Carlo Pennisi (guitars)
Giovanni Tommaso (bass)
Agostino Marangolo (drums)
 
 
The PERIGEO were one of the groups more popular in Italy in the 70's. Their genre was substantially a Jazz with Free parts (in the intro of songs) with Swing song (but with much Rock guitar and sax) or, still, Funky Jazz (above all in the album "Alice"). Nevertheless never they were a Prog band if not for historical period of production.
 
The group is formed in Rome in 1971 and had immediately a contract with RCA Italiana and has published the album "Azimut" (1972) and of continue (in the pauses of intense live activity the besides Italian POP festivals and tournèe in France and England) "Abbiamo Tutti Un Blues Da Piangere" (1973), "Genealogia" (1974), "La Valle Dei Templi" (1975) and "Non è Poi Così Lontano" (1976), all characterized from warm and very Italian mentality (although Tony Sidney is American).
 
 
After four years of silence, thanks to a project ordered from the RCA Italiana to Giovanni Tommaso (the writer of the greater part of the songs) the same Giovanni Tommaso recalls the old companions and reform the Perigeo. To celebrate the feeling found in rapid and magical manner he renames the band PERIGEO SPECIAL. With the help of a lot of hosts it the good double concept album "Alice" (based on the story of Lewis Carroll) is born.
 
"Effetto Amore" of 1981 is a marginal album way with a new formation including Carlo Pennisi and Agostino Marangolo from Flea and Goblin, Maurizio Giammarco from Blue Morning and Canzoniere Del Lazio.
 
Personally advice the first 6 albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 11:26
Good choice for the first two Olivier 'Mwandishi' and 'My Goals Beyond' are fantastic records. I am a little bit more sceptic for 'Dreams' .The band recorded only one record in 1970, a mixture of traditional song writing (all penned by Doug Lubahn and Jeff Kent) and  instrumental Jazz Rock passages. Even so the band had great musicians like the Brecker brothers Randy and Michael, Billy Cobham and John Abercrombie, the music does not really take off, especially the vocal parts come close to main stream pop, and the good instrumental passages are far too rare, the only really interesting track is the long  'Dream suite' with great solos.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 12:55
This is the Dreams LP I found in a dumper bin during the mid 70's (as a great Gahan Wilson fan, the cover caught my eye) - & just discovered it is available on CD. It is a a fairly good album but way short of the post-Spectrum albums under Cobham's name:
 
with almost the same line-up of lead players. Imagine My Surprise has long suggested to me that the boys got back together in the early 70's (1973?) and decided to have another go, perhaps trying to ride the brass rock band wagon that was being good for BST and Chicago. This thought is reinforced by the seemingly compulsory Traffic (or Spencer Davis Group) covers found on many brass rock bands albums and indeed one is found here: Medicated Goo.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 15:08
I also like very much jazz-rock/fusion. My favourite artists for the moment :
Dixie Dregs
Béla Fleck + Flecktones (their album 'Outbound' with Jon Anderson on vocals on one track is excellent)
Weather Report
Gotic
Vega
Borne ('exprime la naranja' is an outstanding spanish fusion album)
David Sancious + Tones
Electromagnets
many projects involving Terry Bozzio, among which The lonely Bears, Polytown, Rudess' 'Feeding the wheel'...
 
There are many more I have to discover...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:35
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

 
It may not be appropriate as an example in this thread but my long held view is that on Cream - Live, Vol I. both Bruce and Clapton accidentally hit the wrong key at times and the other immediately goes to rescue by following suit and they come back together, nicely. Of course, I refer to improvised music here, something that would be near impossible to do via assembly?
What do you think?  
 
Miles Beyond: The Electric Explorations of Miles Davis, 1967-1991
 
Paul Tingen, relates that Miles Davis's skill as a live band leader, was to recognise that a musican was heading off on the wrong key compared to the other players, and play something in a key that provided a great compromise and often a development in the improv.
 
And that's why Miles Davis was one of the best teachers ever!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:43
And very greedy man also.
 
Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2006 at 02:46
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

And very greedy man also.
 
Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.
 
Heroin must have been expensive even back then. The Dark Magus (Davis) is not a personal idol to me, but his contribution to music makes up for personal shortcomings. His recuring heroin use is openly declared in his biorgraphy. Born in that violent society of the US, having experienced great humiliation for no reason - no wonder that he just wanted to try for every penny he could extract. Doing it to Hendrix though, a fellow black American doesn't seem to be a nice gesture.
 
Davis's biggest paradox was that whilst he had a strong grudge against whites, whites were the ones who supported him, appreciated his music the most. Perhaps he felt somewhat let down by his own natural blood-line? It's not fair on Hendrix anyway. 
 
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Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

And very greedy man also.
 
Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.
 
Heroin must have been expensive even back then. The Dark Magus (Davis) is not a personal idol to me, but his contribution to music makes up for personal shortcomings. His recuring heroin use is openly declared in his biorgraphy. Born in that violent society of the US, having experienced great humiliation for no reason - no wonder that he just wanted to try for every penny he could extract. Doing it to Hendrix though, a fellow black American doesn't seem to be a nice gesture.
 
Davis's biggest paradox was that whilst he had a strong grudge against whites, whites were the ones who supported him, appreciated his music the most. Perhaps he felt somewhat let down by his own natural blood-line? It's not fair on Hendrix anyway. 
 
 
 Indeed many jazz artists had the unfortunate addiction to drugs: Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles and many other music icons. The US was a cesspool of cocaine and heroin and even what we now consider to be serious musicians fell in the trap
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 Indeed many jazz artists had the unfortunate addiction to drugs: Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles and many other music icons. The US was a cesspool of cocaine and heroin and even what we now consider to be serious musicians fell in the trap
 
The trap for many was "an alternative mental state induced by chemicals gives us a heightened and new awareness of our music and playing". Mezz Mezrow's autobiographic "really The Blues" vividly describes this, and there he was talking the 40's.  It was a case of one or two experimenting and seemingly for a short while producing new music and ways of playing it. But once hooked most things went downhill but not before other musicians hearing the initial change, deciding it would be good for them too. But then cocaine became the drug of preferrence of rock musicians in the 80's because of its availability but also the high seemed better than over-familiar adrenaline high of an appreciative audience dulled night by  night.  Kevin Gilbert's most excellent rock opera about the music business, The Shaming of the True, brings home the use of recreational drugs and bored rock musicians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 01:06
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I also like very much jazz-rock/fusion. My favourite artists for the moment :
Dixie Dregs
Béla Fleck + Flecktones (their album 'Outbound' with Jon Anderson on vocals on one track is excellent)
Weather Report
Gotic
Vega
Borne ('exprime la naranja' is an outstanding spanish fusion album)
David Sancious + Tones
Electromagnets
many projects involving Terry Bozzio, among which The lonely Bears, Polytown, Rudess' 'Feeding the wheel'...
 
There are many more I have to discover...
 


Check out Caldera. The 1st is available as a CD remaster. The others are still filed under "vinyl treasures." All four albums kick rear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 05:51
Probably been here before but check out the jam fusion(?) band Garaj Mahal - excellent musicians playing some tight and above average exciting jazz rock, fused from time to tme with other jazz fusion elements, e.g. Indo-jazz fusion.

At one of the better jazz rock fusion discussion groups on the web: Fusenet, a rather deep discussion is taking place on the future nature of jazz rock fusion, and in particular jazz rock jamming ("jam fusion"). One of the correspondents is in the throes of setting up a site specifically for this sub-genre:

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Hi folks,

Before getting back to the Fusion Rant, I wanted to post the news
that I've created a new Web Ring called "Jam Fusion". The name is not
as important as where it's placed in the Web Ring directory.
Typically Fusion, Jazz Rock, and the namesake variations are all
located within the Jazz directory. In fact, the Jazz Fusion ring is
in Home > Music > For Musicians > Jazz. Talk about hard to find…

The new Jam Fusion Ring is in the Home > Music > Genres directory,
thus making it much more visible. With enough members it may generate
a place in the Genres Sub-directory list visible on the main Genre
page.

My web stats at Jazz Rock World indicate that the Jazz Fusion Web
Ring is among the top 10 referring web pages. The point is that while
it may sound ridiculous or a waste of time to create this new ring,
the Internet has proven to be a surprising place where almost
anything is possible. Thus, creating a new Web Ring in the main
Genres directory has potential that can't be calculated by any
standard that would prove it to be fruitless.

If you're interested in taking the music a pro-active step away from
the myopic folks running Jazz right into the Cryo Tank at the music
museum [that don't even recognize Fusion], here's an opportunity that
never existed until now.

The main hub page is located at:

http://m.webring. com/hub?ring= jamfusion

On the main Jam Fusion hub page, click on "Join This Ring" and follow
the prompts. No, it's not easy and will take some time – so be
prepared to give the process your full attention for about 15 – 30
minutes. (That's a fair warning, eh?)

If you are not a member, then you will need to register at

http://dir.webring. com/h/signup

The future is knocking, can you hear it?

All the best and thanks,

Rick Calic
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 13:52
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I also like very much jazz-rock/fusion. My favourite artists for the moment :
Dixie Dregs
Béla Fleck + Flecktones (their album 'Outbound' with Jon Anderson on vocals on one track is excellent)
Weather Report
Gotic
Vega
Borne ('exprime la naranja' is an outstanding spanish fusion album)
David Sancious + Tones
Electromagnets
many projects involving Terry Bozzio, among which The lonely Bears, Polytown, Rudess' 'Feeding the wheel'...
 
There are many more I have to discover...
 


Check out Caldera. The 1st is available as a CD remaster. The others are still filed under "vinyl treasures." All four albums kick rear.
 
Thanks for the recommendation, "free verse" Wink ! I will check this band out asap.
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A good database for jazz & jazz-rock afficionados :
 
 
 


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