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Man With Hat 
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 Posted: September 25 2011 at 16:46 |
 TopographicTales wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
Just bought it so I haven't listened yet, but all these positive comments make me feel a bit better about it. I feared Wilson was losing something with both FOABP and TI. |
Really?? FOABP is a great album and one of PT's best IMO. |
FOABP was only good to my ears. The long track (name escapes me atm) and Way Out Of Here are excellent, and the title track is pretty good (though lyrically not too good, luckily there is enough enjoyable music). I don't really care for the other three. Definitely listenable (unlike most of TI) but by no means something I want to listen to aside from playing through the record. I'd give it about a 3 overall.
But compared to other PT releases (especially the two prior) it was a step down for my taste.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 18:42 |
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I liked Insurgentes and all the recent PT albums so I'd be surprised if I don't like it. I'd also be pissed since I sprung for the deluxe edition.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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The Truth
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 19:41 |
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I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
It had several elements of shoegaze in it as did Fear of a Blank Planet.
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The Monodrone
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 21:21 |
The Truth wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
It had several elements of shoegaze in it as did Fear of a Blank Planet.
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I agree... definitely had that dark, post-punk, shoegaze sound.
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The Truth
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 21:36 |
Exactly, in fact, often times shoegaze/postpunk influence = dark, melancholy sound. 
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ergaster
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 21:56 |
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: September 25 2011 at 23:04 |
ergaster wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums vomited heaping piles of fail sauce...
Better?
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MoodyRush
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 00:02 |
I read all this stuff and decided to pre-order the album on iTunes. Can't wait to hear it! 
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riyen73
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 00:52 |
Man With Hat wrote:
TopographicTales wrote:
Man With Hat wrote:
Just bought it so I haven't listened yet, but all these positive comments make me feel a bit better about it. I feared Wilson was losing something with both FOABP and TI. |
Really?? FOABP is a great album and one of PT's best IMO. |
FOABP was only good to my ears. The long track (name escapes me atm) and Way Out Of Here are excellent, and the title track is pretty good (though lyrically not too good, luckily there is enough enjoyable music). I don't really care for the other three. Definitely listenable (unlike most of TI) but by no means something I want to listen to aside from playing through the record. I'd give it about a 3 overall.
But compared to other PT releases (especially the two prior) it was a step down for my taste. |
I would add Sentimental to the above 3 as well. The other two I don't care for. 4 out 6 songs are pretty nice on the album.
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 01:20 |
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I prefer Normal to Sentimental. What a fantastic track that is! The entire Nil Recurring EP is really quite wonderful, actually.
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richardh
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 01:55 |
I've had 3 listens to it now and believe this is something special. His best collection of songs since In Absentia and musically the most interesting work he has been involved since Signify. In my opinion its better than Deadwing, FOABP and The Incident. Those are all solid 4 star efforts but this is the real deal modern 5 star masterpeice. Since In Absentia SW has been 'forced' to write more and more for a band format and that has perhaps limited his options. This is so good because he is able to express himself fully. Its a labour of love quite clearly.
BTW Do yourselves all a favour and get the DVD version especially the Blue Ray version if you have the equipment. It really enhances the enjoyment having the videos (5 of the tracks) and as well as a collection of photos for each track.
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ergaster
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:01 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
ergaster wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums vomited heaping piles of fail sauce...
Better? |
Clearer, yes.  As a comment on your taste...well..... Cereally, though...I'm waiting for my copy to arrive so I can hear all of it at once. I had to stop listening to the available tracks so as not to ruin the experience tooo much. The last few albums? Hm. I don't count Welcome to My DNA as a Wilson album, since that was pretty much all Geffen, and it is a collection of pleasant tunes that aren't particularly offensive, but it is pretty much meh. The Incident isn't bad, but entirely too strained and Just So Darned Earnest. FoaBP is in my Desert Island Collection, stuff I would not exit the planet without. A collection that spans 40 years, so this is a rare gem to me. I may be unusual here in that my introduction to Wilson and his entire oeuvre was with Insurgentes. THAT is what hooked me entirely on the man and his work. It too goes with me to the Deserted Isle. IMHO Lightbulb Sun is damned near unlistenable, so there ya go......
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:19 |
Jake Kobrin wrote:
ergaster wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums have been so bad, |
??? You must have a strange definition of "bad"....
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I heard it yesterday and I think it's just amazing... Which raises some questions. Given that his last few albums vomited heaping piles of fail sauce...
Better? |
That was really a valuable post from a Prog Reviewer...
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:20 |
The Monodrone wrote:
The Truth wrote:
Jake Kobrin wrote:
I don't get it? I haven't heard Insurgentes in years but shoegaze? Post-punk? I don't recall hearing any of that. What I do recall is Steven Wilson releasing some of his most experimental (and dark) material of the past few years. |
It had several elements of shoegaze in it as did Fear of a Blank Planet.
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I agree... definitely had that dark, post-punk, shoegaze sound. |
I read him in an interview saying it was a tribute to 80s music, but it's probably a tribute from inside his own aesthetic because I didn't hear any post-punk, dream pop, shoegaze etc. on it.
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Bonnek
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:36 |
Apart from the general feel of the thing, here's the bands that get a clear nod in some of the tracks: Portishead: AbandonerCocteau Twins: Significant OtherThe Cure: Only Child (17''/Faith), Puncture Wound (total rip-off from the Trees) Killing Joke: DesperationBauhaus: Untitled (or whatever the name is of the last track on the special edition)
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:50 |
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Interesting, what kind of nods? Quotes? Similarities?
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Bonnek
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 09:57 |
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some quotes yes (the rhythm of Only Child),
some plagiarism (the chord progression of Puncture Wound)
and similarities: the rhythm and mood of Portishead, the lush psychedelic arpeggios of Cocteau Twins, rhythm again for Desperation, wailing guitars of Bauhaus in Untitled.
There's more probably, but I only know the leading post-punk bands, not much obscurities.
Edited by Bonnek - September 26 2011 at 09:59
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riyen73
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 10:02 |
Bonnek wrote:
Portishead: Abandoner
Cocteau Twins: Significant Other
The Cure: Only Child (17''/Faith), Puncture Wound (total rip-off from the Trees)
Killing Joke: Desperation
Bauhaus: Untitled (or whatever the name is of the last track on the special edition)
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I really loved Untitled the very first time I heard it. And now you got me Googling on Bauhaus. I love PA for this :)
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Bonnek
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 10:05 |
riyen73 wrote:
Bonnek wrote:
Portishead: Abandoner
Cocteau Twins: Significant Other
The Cure: Only Child (17''/Faith), Puncture Wound (total rip-off from the Trees)
Killing Joke: Desperation
Bauhaus: Untitled (or whatever the name is of the last track on the special edition)
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I really loved Untitled the very first time I heard it. And now you got me Googling on Bauhaus. I love PA for this :)
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Good luck they only had 4 studio albums, all of them quite different. A prog/art-rock fan might feel something for "The sky´s gone out" or "Burning from the inside". Fans of heavy stuff need "In the flat field", and "Mask" is probably their most straight-up post-punk album.
Edited by Bonnek - September 26 2011 at 10:06
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: September 26 2011 at 10:07 |
Bonnek wrote:
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some quotes yes (the rhythm of Only Child),
some plagiarism (the chord progression of Puncture Wound)
and similarities: the rhythm and mood of Portishead, the lush psychedelic arpeggios of Cocteau Twins, rhythm again for Desperation, wailing guitars of Bauhaus in Untitled.
There's more probably, but I only know the leading post-punk bands, not much obscurities.
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Interesting, thanks a lot. I guess he's intregrated them so well that I can only hear "Steven Wilson" in there. Kudos to him.
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