Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > General Music Discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Most Controversial/Persistant Nominees?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedMost Controversial/Persistant Nominees?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456>
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Textbook View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 08 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 03:36
I totally think we should have a Progressive Hotness genre. You know, women who transcend the normal conventions of beauty and take it to bold new places. Grace Jones and so on.
Back to Top
TGM: Orb View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: October 21 2007
Location: n/a
Status: Offline
Points: 8052 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 10:32
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Of course, Dire Straits cannot be considered Prog. Some suggestions are doomed from beginning, but some of them gained big support. Like System of a Down.

Maybe some of you are against SoaD being added. But those who support them are here too. My personal opinion is that they would be good for, let's say Crossover Prog. Not so typical band, eh ?

Why cannot Dire Straits be considered prog...or at least Prog Related? When i listen to Love Over Gold...I hear Prog!


Um... well, if Dire Straits get in, then so will The Police. And Malaysia will fall to communism.

Also, I love the way this thread has gone LOL
Back to Top
Snow Dog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 10:41
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Of course, Dire Straits cannot be considered Prog. Some suggestions are doomed from beginning, but some of them gained big support. Like System of a Down.

Maybe some of you are against SoaD being added. But those who support them are here too. My personal opinion is that they would be good for, let's say Crossover Prog. Not so typical band, eh ?

Why cannot Dire Straits be considered prog...or at least Prog Related? When i listen to Love Over Gold...I hear Prog!


Um... well, if Dire Straits get in, then so will The Police. And Malaysia will fall to communism.

Also, I love the way this thread has gone LOL

I don't see the connection between Dire Straits and The Police.Confused
Back to Top
TGM: Orb View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: October 21 2007
Location: n/a
Status: Offline
Points: 8052 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 15:38
Me neither, but apparently that's how it works...
Back to Top
Marty McFly View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2009
Location: Czech Republic
Status: Offline
Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:50

OK, I agree that it's still subjective. But isn't everything subjective ? Truth also isn't one, there are more truths. In fact, as much "truths" as human beings. And I'm not even talking about case when someone changes his mind. Then hell freezes over or something like that. :-D

But some bands are more Prog than others, aren't they ?
There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

   -Andyman1125 on Lulu







Even my
Back to Top
Snow Dog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 17:54
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

OK, I agree that it's still subjective. But isn't everything subjective ? Truth also isn't one, there are more truths. In fact, as much "truths" as human beings. And I'm not even talking about case when someone changes his mind. Then hell freezes over or something like that. :-D

But some bands are more Prog than others, aren't they ?



Of Course...thats why the edges are blurred...its all about degrees....when does something "suddenly" become not prog?


Edited by Snow Dog - July 14 2010 at 17:55
Back to Top
Textbook View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 08 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 18:28
There certainly is a domino effect here. If you let a band that isn't all that prog in, it really does make it easier for other not-so-prog acts to slip in. I mean that's really how the whole power metal genre slipped in, on the "well if THAT is in, then THIS must be in" tip.
Back to Top
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 18:57
^ can you elaborate on the domino effect wrt to "the whole" power metal genre being here, because a) I don't think it did and b) it isn't.
What?
Back to Top
Textbook View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: October 08 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2010 at 19:13
Well it's not an objective thing so you may well disagree. But I know some people here find Epika, Kamelot, Rhapsody Of Fire, Nightwish etc etc etc to not be progressive. But once one got let in, it seemed that all the others had to go in too.

Edited by Textbook - July 14 2010 at 19:13
Back to Top
octopus-4 View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams

Joined: October 31 2006
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2010 at 08:50
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

OK, I wanted to think a little bit, so I searched Suggest New Bands list for some of:

Here are some of
1)Well known names
2)Often suggested artists/bands
together with most suitable discussion.

Helloween (4 times - we can expect them to being suggested at least once per year - Halloween)
Judas Priests (3 times)
Tori Amos (3 times - the last was your own suggestion, hehe - she has probably the biggest chance to get in)
Coldplay
Phil Collins (4 times)
Grateful Dead (4 times - again, your topic is here as well Textbook, so I'll choose old one)
Within Temptation (4 times)
Tom Waits (4 times) - funny thread, especially OP
Björk (4 times)
Them Crooked Vultures (2 times)
Stevie Wonder (2 times - we all know new thread, so here is old one)
Gorillaz - just once, but it was nice suggestion and one of the better ones
Faith No More (2 times)
Soundgarden (3 times)
Boston (3 times)
SoaD - 9 times
John Frusciante - 4 times
Smashing Pumpkins - 2 times
Talking Heads - 2 times
30 Seconds To Mars - 2 times
The Velvet Underground - 6 times
The Byrds - 5 times
Meatloaf - 3 times
Bob Dylan - 3 times
The Rolling Stones - 3 times
Pete Townshend - 3 times
UFO - 4 times
Stratovarius - 4 times
Megadeth - 3 times
Toto - 5 times - huh?
Donovan - 2 times
Sonata Arctica
Scorpions - interesting discussion
Annie Haslam

Buckethead old
Buckethead new - 5 suggestions

Buggles
Serge Gainsbourg
Avantasia - 2 times


Special guest:

Mars Hollow - suggested 4 times in 10 weeks (from April 1st to June 15th)




OK, I'll continue tomorrow. I kinda like this list. I think I'll consult it in future. So far, I traveled year back in past.


About SoAD, if for me you can write 10 Big smile. 
I'm the one who suggested Annie Haslam, but I was a newbie actually. I wouldn't suggest her now.
I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
Back to Top
AtomicCrimsonRush View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: July 02 2008
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 07:29
bump
 
 
its such a great thread it doesn't deserve to be buried 45 pages down in the bowels of obscurity
 
 
Helloween should be added to Prog Related
 
I had to say that cos it must be stated by someone every month.
Back to Top
rushfan4 View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 66290 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Soundgarden? Really? And yes I'm a fan but they're not prog. I'd put in Pearl Jam before them due to their tendency to do bizarre experimental tracks and odd genre jaunts and tribal numbers but I would also add that I wouldn't even put Pearl Jam in to begin with, I'm just illustrating how surprised I am by the Soundgarden talk.

What about Magazine? Have you guys even heard Real Life? I really think the gang here would like it.
I recall reading an article in a Modern Drummer magazine which listed Soundgarden's drummer as one of the ten best progressive rock drummers or some such thing.  Just saying. WinkLOL
Back to Top
Andy Webb View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin

Joined: June 04 2010
Location: Terria
Status: Offline
Points: 13298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:53
Even in my short time here, I think ive seen stratovarious get suggested at least twice, and people have said they were before too!

Edited by andyman1125 - December 07 2010 at 15:55
Back to Top
thellama73 View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 29 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 12:28
Every couple of years I lobby to get Nurse With Wound on here. I think the main reason they're not is that no one (including me) wants to wrestle with their discography.
Back to Top
FunkyM View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 12 2010
Location: Funkytown
Status: Offline
Points: 134 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 17:55
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Of course, to list some of my favorites I'd like to see here without making the case (mostly):
McLachlan, Sarah
Rhodes, Happy (new to me)


Like I said last week, I'd say YES to Happy in a heartbeat. I think her work speaks for itself. She has connections to artists already in the archives and was influenced by artists in the archives. IMO, she would fit right in Crossover given what has been approved recently (and I say that positively) . :)

As for Sarah, I'm familiar with most of her output, I'd guess that Solace or Touch would be the prime reasons she would be nominated. I've always thought that Touch sounded somewhat prog-influenced, but neither album is very close to crossing my prog threshold, or "phold", as I like to call it ;)



Edited by FunkyM - December 09 2010 at 17:56
Back to Top
AmericanProgster View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 28 2008
Location: Manassas, VA
Status: Offline
Points: 228 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 05:00
Bump (just for the hell of it).

Another group that wasn't mentioned in this thread was Angel. They've been suggested more than 3 times (most of them by me, just see my sig). First two albums are great examples of when 70s hard rock/metal crossed over to prog. But alas, every single time their suggested they get shot down as a glam group. sigh the ignorance of it all!LOL JK. Sorta...
https://dawnapproach.bandcamp.com/

https://soundcloud.com/dawn-approach
Back to Top
Evolver View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 08:11
You need to find a copy of "Punky's Whips" by Zappa. Smile
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
Back to Top
Bonnek View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 01 2009
Location: Belgium
Status: Offline
Points: 4515 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 08:57
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Well it's not an objective thing so you may well disagree. But I know some people here find Epika, Kamelot, Rhapsody Of Fire, Nightwish etc etc etc to not be progressive. But once one got let in, it seemed that all the others had to go in too.


As far as I can see, only Epika was voted on, and they got in by the smallest possible margin.
The other bands were never voted on but were added when everybody could add bands.

So they can't be used as a precedent and frankly I don't know who "all the others" are you refer to.

If anyone tells me Within Temptation should be here because After Forever and Nightwish are, I'd simply answer none of that lot should be here. Approve


Edited by Bonnek - February 21 2011 at 08:58
Back to Top
Henry Plainview View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 26 2008
Location: Declined
Status: Offline
Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 12:22
Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

As far as I can see, only Epika was voted on, and they got in by the smallest possible margin.
The other bands were never voted on but were added when everybody could add bands.

So they can't be used as a precedent and frankly I don't know who "all the others" are you refer to.
But not deleting them years ago is tacit approval by the administration, so it doesn't matter how they got here.  
Quote If anyone tells me Within Temptation should be here because After Forever and Nightwish are, I'd simply answer none of that lot should be here. Approve
I don't care because I don't care about prog metal, but I hope you can see how frustrating this is to people who do care. I only learned of the Nightwish situation recently, but it is mindboggling (to me, anyway) that there are prog metal bands that the the Prog Metal Team (apparently) universally thinks should not be in prog metal. The headaches you have caused yourselves just to save a few reviews people wrote years ago, which they could repost at countless other websites if they didn't want their work to be "wasted"...


Edited by Henry Plainview - February 21 2011 at 12:32
if you own a sodastream i hate you
Back to Top
Conor Fynes View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 11 2009
Location: Vancouver, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 3196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 00:12
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

Artsy stuff from new wave are is occasionally popping up, XTC for example. Also some borderline proggy AOR, such is Toto.

Phil Collins.

Some more elaborated Southern Rock bands.

Grateful Dead.

One that is not mentioned often (but it should beEvil Smile) is Scott Walker!


Scott Walker, YES!!!
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 23456>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.121 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.