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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 09:14
I likewise was a bit disappointed by this new DT album,
as the progression from Systhematic Chaos wasn't to my liking.

On the other hand I'm really pleased by the new "Songs From The Liar's Lair" -album
by  Ageness from Finland, that really made my summer :)

Sound clips at www.myspace.com/ageness

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 09:16
I have broken down and found myself able to listen to the CD. Three times so far.  It's looking like 3.5 stars only because the new ideas are decent. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 09:42
when i've first listen to new DT i got that  ''i ve heard this already feeling'' , nothing new , their sound doesn't evolve anywhere , lack of ideas or ?? anyway it is not that album is bad, The Count of Tuscany and The Shattered Fortress are very good songs ,  but overall i may rate it with 3 stars .. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 15:08
Well I was disappointed again with it.  The last good DT CD in my opinion is "Awake".  The last great one is "Images and Words".  It has been pretty much down hill ever since. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 15:20
Yeah, not too much longer to wait. I am going in with full expectations that I will be expecting exactly what is there. They are, for the most part, a really predictable band. They fill a nice niche in my playlist, but they don't capture my imagination anymore.

As for the comments that "Awake is the last good one" that was said up there but has been repeated like a mantra for fifteen years, that's just silly. Aside from it being "classic DT," Awake is really hardly different from anything after it, except that it hardly has any keyboard input. Is that what you are looking for? Less keyboard work? I think their songwriting has matured (some of their best songs are from FII, the title track Octavarium, some of the Six Degrees tunes). Of course, I am going to go in and rerate what I rated kind of skewily before. I think a lot of them got fours, when for the most part they are a three star band. Six Degrees, Images and Words, and Falling into Infinity are likely the only ones above three. Awake hasn't aged well with me, despite being my favorite for a long time, Scenes is just a touch overrated..., and everything after that has been pretty samey.

So I hope that Black Clouds bucks this samey, average sort of trend, but I know it won't. Dream Theater are not a band to reinvent themselves, not a band to really try anything new. I don't mind, but I'm not at all wowed by them any longer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2009 at 15:28
Originally posted by ProgRockFanatic ProgRockFanatic wrote:

Well I was disappointed again with it.  The last good DT CD in my opinion is "Awake".  The last great one is "Images and Words".  It has been pretty much down hill ever since. 

I would say SFAM is where the slide began for me. I like Sherinian better than Rudess, but Moore was the man.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2009 at 14:23
I'm not one to throw a tantrum about their recent albums - they might not be as good as the first ones but they're still good albums.

This recent album is great. It's got obvious flaws but you have to dig the last track, particularly the ending.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2009 at 09:42
In my opinion their last great was Octavarium. All the tracks were great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2009 at 18:45
I really don't know what to expect for this one. The album started with some five star fanboy-ish reviews, and then there are some two and three star DT-hater reviews. Maybe it'll just turn out to be a good album to have. I'm just waiting for the album to come in the mail, I'd rather not download a leaked version.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 00:08
Originally posted by Stooge Stooge wrote:

I was surprised to see Larks' Tongues on the covers list.  I'll be curious to hear their take on it, but my honest initial reaction to this was laughter. 


Hahahaha no surprise to me. I discovered Dream Theater before I discovered KC, so the first time I heard the opening bit to Larks Tongues 2 I remember thinking "Wow, this sounds like the inspiration for about half of Dream Theater's riffs."


So what I'm getting out of this thread, and out of everything I've heard so far about the album, is download Count of Tuscany and forget the rest?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 01:08
I wouldn't even recommend that one. I absolutely despised the album. It took every ounce of my being just to give it two stars. I feel it is bland and doesn't live up the the high quality Dream Theater moniker. Ugh...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 02:31
good thing you stole it instead of waiting for it to come out! You could have had a real problem there, wasting a couple $12 on it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 06:47


"Hi guys...check out our new album! It's totally rad!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 06:51
Pre ordered the 3CD edition from Amazon
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 07:30
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

"Hi guys...check out our new album! It's totally rad!"


haha I love that pic

I've seen it in the wiki entry

Actually best hair on Petrucci!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:32
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 10:38
Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

In my opinion their last great was Octavarium. All the tracks were great.

In my opinion it was a very poor album. I thought that Systematic Chaos was much improved.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 11:00
Is it just me or are they suffering from "Pink Floyd Syndrome?" It just seems to me that with every album, Mike and John take more and more creative control, and the quality ends up suffering. I think what made IAW and Awake so great was they had solid contributions from all four members. And James was there too.

I mean, Learning to Live was, IIRC, a Myung song. Sure John and Mike had a lot of say on those albums, but Myung and Kevin balanced them out a bit. Myung's been pretty stifled and Ruddess has never really had much of a creative presence in the band


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 11:01
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by darksideof darksideof wrote:

In my opinion their last great was Octavarium. All the tracks were great.

In my opinion it was a very poor album. I thought that Systematic Chaos was much improved.

Octavarium had some excellent Progressive moments, IMO. It was SC that was poor, unless you are talking from a metal standpoint.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2009 at 11:03
Originally posted by KingCrimson250 KingCrimson250 wrote:

Is it just me or are they suffering from "Pink Floyd Syndrome?" It just seems to me that with every album, Mike and John take more and more creative control, and the quality ends up suffering. I think what made IAW and Awake so great was they had solid contributions from all four members. And James was there too.

True! 

I&A and Awake were more cohesive. Really sounding like a group effort. Anymore it's just taking turns soloing or showing off.
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