Abortion: Legal or Illegal

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: But they are, it's undeniable, the three countries in Latin America who have this policies are the ones that have the lowest rate..

Actually, not only is the statement deniable, you have provided absolutely zero evidence to support it. You've shown a correlation in 3 countries between two variables among literally thousands of possible variables. You haven't even taken the time to examine rates in other countries that have policies like this or similar ones. You haven't shown anything. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. Reasoning from the converse can be helpful when only a handful of variable exist, but it becomes literally worthless for applications to sociological phenomena. You've pointed out a very, stress of the very, weak observational correlation which in no way amounts to proof anything. The most you have shown is that it could be beneficial to examine why this correlation exists. The process you're describing isn't science, it's just a random error of perception. You're trying to reason scientifically using a brain process adapted for quick predator-prey reactions of our prehistoric ancestors. It's not science, and any attempt to say that you've proven anything, or even suggesting that you have alleviated any of your burden of proof, does a complete disservice to the very idea of science. [/quote]

OT Räihälä wrote:   I find a great paradox there. . . . Of course they are different issues, one is about ending a life that isn't independent yet, and the other is ending one that is very independent.

Negoba wrote: OT Räihälä wrote:   I find a great paradox there. . . . Of course they are different issues, one is about ending a life that isn't independent yet, and the other is ending one that is very independent.   Then no great paradox?

The paradox lies in defending life in one case, and not doing it in the other. It's made more of a paradox by the alleged fact that in the first case the life being defended is that of a blob, a collection of cells, in the other of a full human. So, as always, it all ends up going again to the debate as to when the blob of cells becomes human and thus worthy of defense.

Slartibartfast wrote: Don't be surprised if 5-10 years down the line from now it could be possible for the man to carry the baby to term and even required to be carried by law in some instances.  This will change things a lot.

So my facebook feed is steaming with outrage about the Susan Komen Foundation pulling their funds from Planned Parenthood.

About 20 years ago, I was over at a friends house and his girlfriend was there. We had a long discussion about abortion which ended in my learning she had one in her mid-teens. Upper middle class, some pressure from family. She was crying, I felt very guilty.

Edited by Negoba - February 03 2012 at 10:40

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elegy12 wrote: I haven't managed to go through all the pages, but as this is a very emotive issue, can i ask how many women on here have commented? The first 6 and last page seemed full of male comments, using a variety of reasons as to why it should be legal/illegal. In the Uk abortion is legal till the 24th week of gestation. Or if life threatening, it has no limit. Also a foetus has no legal rights in the UK.   Next question, has anyone on here been involved with the decision of abortion? If you have you will understand the agony of such a decision, the desperation that drives women to have an abortion. Can i also point out that some women seem completely unfazed, and it is a known fact that some women do not care about aborting a foetus.   From a personal experience in 1992 my wife got pregnant, we already had 3 children....2 were planned the other was concieved on the pill as was this latest pregnancy. We lived in overcrowded 2 bedroom 2nd floor flat, and with not a lot of money. I am not making any excuses here, just telling the facts as they were. This was a particularly difficult decision, especially for my wife, because as you know women tend to make a bond with their foetus early on in pregnancy. Usually being told you are pregnant is a wonderful exhillerating experience, for us it will always be the hardest decision we will ever make, that we take to the grave.   I know for a fact that every year since, and at the due date, my wife has been very emotional, confiding in me that she wondered what the child may have become. I have seen first hand the destruction of a lovely women, who knew it was right, but oh so wrong. Do not judge every woman the same......should it be made illegal/legal............no man will ever know the hurt of a woman who loves her children, that has to make this horrible decision.   As a foot note, we went on to have a further 2 children, but i know deep in my heart that we will never forget what happened, but you have to be in that position to know. To the religious people...."let he who has not sinned throw the first stone". It's too easy to say legal or illegal.

That said, we in America aren't supposed to go on how a woman feels.  Feelings shouldn't make laws.  We are supposed to go on who has life, who has liberty, and who has property, and protect all three.

I'm sorry you went through that awful experience.  I hope you, your children, and your wife are doing well.

^amen

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