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Posted: May 18 2011 at 15:30
I can never get sick of 2001. There's always something new that I learn from it because there are so many ways of interpreting it. A timeless masterpiece. I think People will be watching this film an wondering about it forthe next hundred years. It's not going to fade away and become
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Posted: June 05 2011 at 08:37
Favourite KUBRICK LINES
mine:
Chronological lines per films
Strangelove: Mein Fuhrer, I can valk!
Hal: I'm afraid.... My mind is going.... There is no question about it... My mind is going.... I can feel it... I can feel it..... I can.... feel it
Alex: There's been some very large talk behind my back, and no error!... What's all this about the big, big money... If we want pretty polly we take it...
Bullington: The pistol must have been faulty... can I have another?
Jack: I did hurt him once okay? It was an accident... could have happened to anybody... a momentary loss of muscular coordination... a few extra foot pounds of energy.... per second... per second...
Alice: And I could hardly... move...
Bill: Fidelio. Masked Leader: That is right.. that is the password for admittance... but what is the password for the house? Bill: I seem to have forgotten it. Masked Leader: It doesn't matter whether you have forgotten it or whether you ever had it... remove your clothes...
(some of these quotes arent exact but that is according to my memory anyway)
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Posted: June 05 2011 at 09:39
Some thoughts about THE SHINING:
I like the idea of the film really being a representation of Jacks novel which is likely to be a horror ghost story cos he had writers block. When Ullman mentions the Grady tragedy, notice the look on Jacks face as if a light has gone on he has been enlightened! - he at last has the idea for his novel! Rob Ager (Collaborative Learning website) looks at some of this in his analysis. But I would like to think the whole movie is relatively Jacks novel unravelling pience by piece. the black titles in the film are chapters. Each chapter features a new plot line with Danny becoming more and more awakened.
It makes sense then that Kubrick chose the most eccentric takes of the acting of his players. Jack really overacts in the -'gimme the bat' scenes. (Simpsons made fun of this beautifully) - Wendy overacts terribly in the scene where she is roaming the hotel at the end, looking catatonic - like characters in a badly written novel. Lets assume that Jack is a failed author therefore his novels are badly writtenand we are seieng this in some of the banal dialogue and 'acting'. There are times when the acting is realistic and the scenes are straight forward and these could be the 'reality' in between the novels scenes.
Could I also put forward some ideas of Danny and the Maze.
Rob Ager again has touched on this but I had thought that Danny had inside info on the maze. He knew the maze and therefore had been there before.
Evidence? 1. He led his mother straight to the centre. it took no time for Danny to find the centre and his mother simply had to chase him ('to keep America clean'). She says its so beautiful and she didnt know it was so big. But Danny doesnt have any dialogue to indicate he is surprised by this, though he does agree with his mother.
2. Danny knew the maze to such an extent that even late at night in the freezing snow he easily was able to trap his father. He led Jack to a dead end and then backtracked his footsteps and once again easily found his way out of the maze to his mothers arms. How could he so easily find his way out? He must have memorised it. But ow could he memorise it unless he had been there before?
There are some explanations as to Dannys knowledge of the maze:
1. Tony supernaturally led him there to the centre and out again. This would only work if Tony really was a force talking to Tony with foreknowledge of events and would indicate preternatural intervention.
2. Danny simply fluked it. He got to the centre after some trial and error dead ends and therefore eventually found the centre simply by logical process of elimination. This of course would mean he flukes it again at the end when he finds his way out of the maze so easily yet his father is trapped.
3. He is led through the maze by his mother - she follows him but is kind of chasing him to the centre. This means that she knew somehow where the centre is. And it does not explain how danny at the end was able to navigate the maze so easily.
One may assume that the maze was easy anyway and not a challenge. However when looking at the maze carefully in the aerial shot, it is not an easy maze rather is quite a challenge, so how does Danny navigate it so easily? Is there another explanation? At this point you may hypothesize that the maze is not real and does not exist. Rob suggests the Overlook and the maze are one and the same by design and this may be true in light of the logic of the situation.
Big Kubrick fan here. Wrote a lengthy essay about him senior year in high school.
2001>A Clockwork Orange>Dr. Strangelove>The Shining>Full Metal Jacket>Eyes Wide Shut
How can people say that the second half of Full Metal Jacket is disjointed or wasn't interesting? If there were no recurring characters to follow into war then I could understand, but we see Joker and his buddy Cowboy go from recruit training into Vietnam.
Never finished Lolita or Barry Lyndon due to watching at a friend's house (I usually make it a point to finish a movie even if I don't like it). Never started Paths of Glory.
This is really tough, but I think A Clockwork Orange just about takes the cake, although I´ll probably regret that decision, the next time I watch The Shining, Strangelove or 2001...
I love the fact, that the movie doesn´t contain any sympathetic characters. They are all somebody, you don´t really care for. You feel pity for the old man getting a beat down in that tunnel, but he is an unknown, only there to crystallize the overall emotionless vacuum of the movie. I don´t have to watch the movie ever again, not because I don´t want to, but because it sliced its way into my brain - leaving one of my most treasured scars. It stays vivid and fresh and memorable - never losing its initial bite, and that is the true mark of a masterpiece in films.
“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
^^ I actually really liked the character of Alex in A Clockwork Orange. Despite his lack of loyalty to his "droogs" and his passion for "power violence", he's portrayed as a relatively lovable character. There may be no empathy felt for him at the start of the film, but by the end you should have been rooting for him.
I love your avatar btw. Probably my favorite Francis Bacon painting.
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Posted: July 22 2011 at 07:32
I also "have voted already". I am sure it was for 2001, my all time favourite movie . But Dr. Stranglove, A Clockwork Orange and Paths of Glory are great, too.
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Posted: July 31 2011 at 20:04
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Some thoughts about THE SHINING:I like the idea of the film really being a representation of Jacks novel which is likely to be a horror ghost story cos he had writers block. When Ullman mentions the Grady tragedy, notice the look on Jacks face as if a light has gone on he has been enlightened! - he at last has the idea for his novel! Rob Ager (Collaborative Learning website) looks at some of this in his analysis. But I would like to think the whole movie is relatively Jacks novel unravelling pience by piece. the black titles in the film are chapters. Each chapter features a new plot line with Danny becoming more and more awakened.
Good analogy, I'm generally against interpretation but since Stephen King seems to frequently find ways to write about being a writer, this could be accurate
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Could I also put forward some ideas of Danny and the Maze. Rob Ager again has touched on this but I had thought that Danny had inside info on the maze. He knew the maze and therefore had been there before.
One may assume that the maze was easy anyway and not a challenge. However when looking at the maze carefully in the aerial shot, it is not an easy maze rather is quite a challenge, so how does Danny navigate it so easily? Is there another explanation? At this point you may hypothesize that the maze is not real and does not exist. Rob suggests the Overlook and the maze are one and the same by design and this may be true in light of the logic of the situation.
Fascinating film!
My feeling on this - having never read the book - is that Danny is able to see the same aerial shot we see through a kind of self-projection, piece of cake for a gifted one like him
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