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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 09:51
Originally posted by Norbert Norbert wrote:

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<<"Shut up and play the music" belongs to dictatorships.>> Or for people who wish they'd play the music rather than using it as their own personal soapbox. E     

 

Well if you don't play  instrumental  music you have to write the lyrics about something.

Writing Kobaian lyrics is also a possible choice.

Many icons of  music might be accused for using it as their own personal soapbox.

I prefer these guys a lot over the ones who sing about dragons and swords.


Eh? Who listens to music about dragons and swords? That's not what my prog consists of. Maybe with the exception of Glass Hammer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 10:56
^^ agreed'

maybe hes thinking power metal?

I also see he is extremely obsessed with politics, based on the lyrics he's chosen for his sig, so Ill refrain from more comment as I don't like getting into political discussions (usually ends in mudslinging that is not beneficial to either party)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 11:19
`Excuse my soon-to-be-obvious bias, but Gildenlow could get drunk and light his instrument on fire and it would sound better than anything Tool could ever hope to write.'

O.K firstly i think its abundantly clear that i like Pain of Salvation - by mentioning that only OHBTCL (which i still think is a good album) has let me down, i'm implying that all their others haven't, since i didn't mention them. POS are actually my second favourite band (after guess who)

Secondly i was actually criticising tool in that post. 10 000 days is a horrible album and i was expressing my disdain of that album (indirectly)

Thirdly that actually made me laugh. You fanboy.
Fourthly you like neo-prog. And Dream Theater. `Nuff said.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 12:06
Ok, let's take that kind of bickering somewhere else please, thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 15:28
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Ok, let's take that kind of bickering somewhere else please, thanks.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 16:11
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

Ok, let's take that kind of bickering somewhere else please, thanks.
 
It's more fun when it's in public. Big smile


And entertaining to watch.Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2006 at 17:11
*sigh*

w/e floats your boat
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 10:33
http://www.myspace.com/insideoutamerica


A full track is posted up there. Seems we were all correct in assuming an anti-American feel to the album, but I had hoped it would at least be done intelligently, but if the lyrics to this song are any indication then my hopes aren't being realized.

The song itself I don't particularly like. I think it resembles System of a Down at points more than it does POS (that's not a compliment). However, I still have high hopes that the rest of the album can deliver.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 10:41
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:


Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by OpethGuitarist OpethGuitarist wrote:

Ok, let's take that kind of bickering somewhere else please, thanks.

 

It's more fun when it's in public.
And entertaining to watch.


But it gives me headaches.

Everyone be civil and respectful please.
    


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 10:46
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

http://www.myspace.com/insideoutamerica


A full track is posted up there. Seems we were all correct in assuming
an anti-American feel to the album, but I had hoped it would at least
be done intelligently, but if the lyrics to this song are any
indication then my hopes aren't being realized.

The song itself I don't particularly like. I think it resembles System
of a Down at points more than it does POS (that's not a compliment).
However, I still have high hopes that the rest of the album can deliver.



I hardly ever openly criticize but that track sounds absolutely terrible.

They have lost me,I will not listen to an album full of US bashing.

What a jerk Gildenlow turned into.
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:21
^^ I'm fairly underwelmed by the PoS track on first listen, which is an awful shame.  Personally, the SB doesn't fare much better either, but that's another story.
 
I also think the America bashing is really quite hackneyed now, too.  America is after all only one arm of Western Civilisation, all of which is suffering from the same social problems to a greater or lesser extent. 
 
I think it's one thing for the Offspring to moan about their own country, but quite another for those little scrotes from Green Day to jump on the bandwagon, while I'm sure that Eskilstuna has enough social ills of its own to explore musically!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 11:58
Damnit! The song sounds alright, but I just hate US bashing. I'd like to enjoy their new album, but if the lyrics are like this I don't know if I'll be able to. Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 12:56
Wow, POS has started the biggest controversy in prog since Tales of topographic oceans... and the album is not even out! ajajjajaLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL

This track does sound rather mainstream and not as Pain of Salvation-like as the others, but lets see how that turns out to be, I mean as a whole. I also thought POS was more mainstream that what they are cause the first song I heard from them was Ashes, which was released as a single and did sound more in the nü metal direction, but once you listen to the album as a whole, it all fits so perfectly.

I for one stand with Gildenlöw with this one, Bush needs all the bad talking about him as possible. I cant believe how personal some folks from the United States are taking this, saying that Gildenlöw has become a jerk. Im pretty sure Gildenlöw would not be getting so much hate if he bashed another country or presidentConfused

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:00

^Actually I'm insulted by this just as much as Jody is eventhough I'm not American.

 
Also "I'm sick of America" and "I'm sick of Bush" are two different things. To me the song sounds more like bashing America in general than Bush. And that to me is an insult. I have a lot of friends in the US and to me the song sounds the same as someone singing "I'm sick of *insert your best friend's name here*!"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:36
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Wow, POS has started the biggest controversy in prog since Tales of topographic oceans... and the album is not even out! ajajjajaThis track does sound rather mainstream and not as Pain of Salvation-like as the others, but lets see how that turns out to be, I mean as a whole. I also thought POS was more mainstream that what they are cause the first song I heard from them was Ashes, which was released as a single and did sound more in the nü metal direction, but once you listen to the album as a whole, it all fits so perfectly.I for one stand with Gildenlöw with this one, Bush needs all the bad talking about him as possible. I cant believe how personal some folks from the United States are taking this, saying that Gildenlöw has become a jerk. Im pretty sure Gildenlöw would not be getting so much hate if he bashed another country or president


Yeah,I take it very personally.I laid my life on the line for my country.It's not perfect,but I will not put money in someone's pocket who bashes it.
    


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:37
Originally posted by Dalezilla Dalezilla wrote:

^Actually I'm insulted by this just as much as Jody is eventhough I'm not American.

Why? Im asking friendly, I know why someone form the States would get offended, but I would like to know why you or others that dont live or are ot from the States are insulted? Cause to me "insulted" is too much, just because one song, but again I dont mean to offend anybody.

But you know what I find insulting? People form the States (and other countrys cause they also do it) calling only themself Americans, Im an american too you know?Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:40
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Wow, POS has started the biggest controversy in prog since Tales from topographic oceans... and the album is not even out! ajajjajaThis track does sound rather mainstream and not as Pain of Salvation-like as the others, but lets see how that turns out to be, I mean as a whole. I also thought POS was more mainstream that what they are cause the first song I heard from them was Ashes, which was released as a single and did sound more in the nü metal direction, but once you listen to the album as a whole, it all fits so perfectly.I for one stand with Gildenlöw with this one, Bush needs all the bad talking about him as possible. I cant believe how personal some folks from the United States are taking this, saying that Gildenlöw has become a jerk. Im pretty sure Gildenlöw would not be getting so much hate if he bashed another country or president


Yeah,I take it very personally.I laid my life on the line for my country.It's not perfect,but I will not put money in someone's pocket who bashes it.
    

Fare enough I guess

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:42
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Dalezilla Dalezilla wrote:

^Actually I'm insulted by this just as much as Jody is eventhough I'm not American.

Why? Im asking friendly, I know why someone form the States would get offended, but I would like to know why you or others that dont live or are ot from the States are insulted? Cause to me "insulted" is too much, just because one song, but again I dont mean to offend anybody.

But you know what I find insulting? People form the States (and other countrys cause they also do it) calling only themself Americans, Im an american too you know?Wink

 
I edited my post. I think you'll find the answers there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:44
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:


Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Wow, POS has started the biggest controversy in prog since Tales from topographic oceans... and the album is not even out! ajajjajaThis track does sound rather mainstream and not as Pain of Salvation-like as the others, but lets see how that turns out to be, I mean as a whole. I also thought POS was more mainstream that what they are cause the first song I heard from them was Ashes, which was released as a single and did sound more in the nü metal direction, but once you listen to the album as a whole, it all fits so perfectly.I for one stand with Gildenlöw with this one, Bush needs all the bad talking about him as possible. I cant believe how personal some folks from the United States are taking this, saying that Gildenlöw has become a jerk. Im pretty sure Gildenlöw would not be getting so much hate if he bashed another country or president


Yeah,I take it very personally.I laid my life on the line for my country.It's not perfect,but I will not put money in someone's pocket who bashes it.
    
Fare enough I guessWhere you in the Army Jody?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 13:49
Originally posted by Dalezilla Dalezilla wrote:

Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Dalezilla Dalezilla wrote:

^Actually I'm insulted by this just as much as Jody is eventhough I'm not American.

Why? Im asking friendly, I know why someone form the States would get offended, but I would like to know why you or others that dont live or are ot from the States are insulted? Cause to me "insulted" is too much, just because one song, but again I dont mean to offend anybody.

But you know what I find insulting? People form the States (and other countrys cause they also do it) calling only themself Americans, Im an american too you know?Wink

 
I edited my post. I think you'll find the answers there.

I read it, and I see what you mean. I would have to read the lyrics carefully, now I cant, Im going in about 5 minutes, but I think what you are doing is a big generalization...but then again it seem that so does Gildenlöw, so its hard to tell. But then again there is no right and wrong here, just opinions, and I respect yours and everybody elseThumbs Up


Edited by el böthy - November 28 2006 at 13:50
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