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richardh
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Posted: August 25 2004 at 18:51 |
Generally,I look at it this way:
ELP= 'sex'
Pink Floyd = 'brain'
With everything else somewhere in the middle. ELP could never make an intellectual album like Floyd's 'Dark Side Of The Moon' but then IMO Floyd could never bring an audience to a pinnacle of excitement like ELP could do at their best.Floyd and ELP were as different as Apples and Oranges.I'm willing to bet there are those here that identify strongly with one approach or the other.The 'intellectuals' who like Floyd may sneer at the pomposity of ELP while those who want to hear Carl Palmer and Keith Emerson playing at the speed of sound may well get bored with Pink Floyd's musings on life.Prog offers quite widely differing attitudes and approachs to making music.The thing is it's all fine and many of us like a bit of variety!
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Posted: August 25 2004 at 18:53 |
richardh wrote:
ELP= 'sex'
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I can think of at least one person who will second that ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Dick Heath
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Posted: August 25 2004 at 18:55 |
Trouserpress wrote:
[QUOTE=maani]
Trouser (sim. threefates and Dick Heath):
My older brother (who turned me on to prog) is a classical violinist
and composer with a B.S. in Music from Mannes. He would agree
completely with your feelings re ELP: like you, he apparently can't get
past the idea of "changing" anything re a classical piece; he considers
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A dear friend and great fan of serious music was shocked when I played him jazzer Herbert Laws Going Home (ex. The Chicago Theme - CTI Records), because the tune is this classicially trained flautist's rather nicely jazzed up, shortened treatment of Dvorak's 9th Symphony - The New World.
A similar response as your brother - 'mustn't do that to a piece
of classical music!' I felt forced to remind my friend that Dvorak
working in the USA at the end of the 19th century, had heard "negro
spirituals" and incorporated them into the 9th. Hence Law's
title was apt and my response was: 'should a serious music composer be
doing that to black music?' But of course composers have always been
lifting folk music themes and tunes - quite a number to be found in
Beethoven's symphonies, and Mussorgski as one of the group
of 19th century Russian semi-pro composers, the Mighty Handful,
would have no doubt raided tradiation Russian folk tunes for his
compositions.
So personally I don't care what type of musician borrows from the
repertoise of another group's, it is what he /she/they do with it. Did
I mention that I preferred Mekon Delta's two takes on PAAE
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 03:15 |
The Large Bowl wrote: It seems to me that some of you play right into the hands of those that would sneer at prog rock.
Simply, I can't care less of what SOME people thinks about my tastes and opinions, even if they believe it's just "nonsense".
I am sure enough of what I like, so I don't care if people laugh at my taste.
This po-faced attitude just makes you sound like nerds. |
Why do you react like this when you don't agree with someone? Again I don't take offense because I have the greatest of respect for so called nerds, I used to bother them at school, but most nerds are people who know what they are talking about.
I have been listening to prog develop since 1971, some of the albums I have derided used to be big favourites but sound almost ridiculous now. Rick Wakeman is my hero, his Yes stuff still exhilerates me now, but the King Arthur, Journey To The Centre Of The Earth stuff is almost cringe-inducing to listen to. |
What, have King Arthur or Journey to the Centre of the Earth changed through the years?
I believe the notes of Journey to the Centre of the Earth are exactly the same today than in the 70's, quality remains, perspective of the listener and fashion is what changes. To be honest I haven't changed my perspective and never cared for musical fashion.
I have seen ELP live umpteen times in the 70's and they were awesome. |
I only saw ELP once in 1999 and still they were awesome. 15,000 souls who were at the same show (record for a small city as Lima) thought like me, maybe the nerds bought all the tickets.
That nonesense about Mussorgsky is just patronising, and makes you sound like a character in "Spinal Tap"! No doubt if ELP released a skiffle version of Beethoven's 5th you'd blame that on Beethoven |
Won't answer your "nonesesnce" quote, it's not worth
If you take your time and read a bit of history you'll notice that Pictures at an Exhibition was considered pompous in all Europe when released and it's still pompous.
Please read my whole quote about Pictures:
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- ELP is a pompous band (though they can be lyrical and romantic sometimes), and that's probably what I like most of them.
- Prog' Rock is a pompous genre.
Numbers 2 and 3 clearly express that I accept ELP and in general Prog' Rock are pompous.
I'm not afraid of the word pompous, at least for some of us pompous music is much better than plain and simple commercial music, that's a matter of personal taste.
The funny thing is that you are criticizing prog' music with exactly the same arguments magazines as Rolling Stones use, they call pompous and self indulgent to describe everything that's not mainstream.
and yes clever clogs we all know Mussorgsky was an inveterate drunk |
What's your point?
Iván
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 07:24 |
richardh wrote:
Pink Floyd = 'brain'
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Strange I always thought of the best period Floyd as being brains heavily under the influence of LSD* , and the latter period as musicians filling bank accounts with LSD+.
BTW here, LSD* doesn't = LSD+
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 09:42 |
James Lee wrote:
richardh wrote:
ELP= 'sex'
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I can think of at least one person who will second that ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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I SECOND THAT !!!!! ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 10:53 |
threefates wrote:
James Lee wrote:
richardh wrote:
ELP= 'sex'
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I can think of at least one person who will second that ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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I SECOND THAT !!!!! ![](smileys/smiley4.gif)
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Any psychologists out there - with these admissions, I'm sure somebody could have a field day with you folks' sex lives ?
Mind you if such confessions are to be made, the first woman to break my heart played the Moody Blues during our more intimate moments those first times, but she soon moved to Meatloaf's Bat Out Of Hell (with enforced temporary interruption to the passions as she leaped out of bed to flip the album). I must admit Moore and Derek at it to Ravel's (back to PAAE again!!) Bolero in Ten, seemed far fetched.....................
Anybody else care to confess what music they bonk to.............................(but please no photographs)?
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 14:45 |
Dick Heath wrote:
richardh wrote:
Pink Floyd = 'brain'
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Strange I always thought of the best period Floyd as being brains heavily under the influence of LSD* , and the latter period as musicians filling bank accounts with LSD+.
BTW here, LSD* doesn't = LSD+
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But Waters is on record as saying that the band were aware of this - they'd struggled many a (Dark Sided) Moon to make the latter LSD, and suddenly they hit the jackpot - ironically breaking through in the US thanks to a single which was lyrically against the very stuff!.
Did they keep it and be everything they were against, or enjoy the riches they'd worked so hard to achieve? The follow-up album was so obviously a message to their former colleage who did have too much of the former LSD.
The answer was (as far as my research has shown, but someone else probably knows better!) that Floyd threw the majority of their LSD into the amazing shows they put on - I understand that "The Wall" nearly wiped them out (although it probably reaped a huge Harvest, so we needn't feel too sorry!).
Anyway, by the time Dark Side of the Moon was released, Britain had gone decimal ![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 20:04 |
richardh wrote:
Anybody else care to confess what music they bonk to.............................(but please no photographs)?
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Now that's a fine idea for a thread!
I'll start the ball rolling (er...we can expect many more of these double entendres if the topic takes off...) with the 2nd side of King Crimson's "Starless and Bible Black"; I'll always remember an extremely sweaty, nasty, and almost transcendental experience that accompanied "Fracture". Just don't mention it to my wife- it was slightly before her time ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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threefates
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Posted: August 26 2004 at 20:30 |
I had some surreal moments with Pink Floyd on the stereo.. whether DSOTM minus Money... or The Division Bell... ELP's Trilogy is another favorite.. except sometimes it makes me cry.. and that can be a mood stopper..
There is also a few non-prog albums I like for this purpose... Sting's Brand New Day with "A Thousand Years" and "Desert Rose"... great!
Loreena McKennitt's Book of Secrets.. thats very nice also as well as Hooverphonic's Blue Wonder Power Milk...
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richardh
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 02:31 |
James Lee wrote:
richardh wrote:
Anybody else care to confess what music they bonk to.............................(but please no photographs)?
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Now that's a fine idea for a thread!
I'll start the ball rolling (er...we can expect many more of these double entendres if the topic takes off...) with the 2nd side of King Crimson's "Starless and Bible Black"; I'll always remember an extremely sweaty, nasty, and almost transcendental experience that accompanied "Fracture". Just don't mention it to my wife- it was slightly before her time ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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I never wrote that!
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 03:10 |
richardh wrote:
James Lee wrote:
richardh wrote:
Anybody else care to confess what music they bonk to.............................(but please no photographs)?
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Now that's a fine idea for a thread!
I'll start the ball rolling (er...we can expect many more of these double entendres if the topic takes off...) with the 2nd side of King Crimson's "Starless and Bible Black"; I'll always remember an extremely sweaty, nasty, and almost transcendental experience that accompanied "Fracture". Just don't mention it to my wife- it was slightly before her time ![](smileys/smiley2.gif)
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I never wrote that!
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Whoops, that was Dick Heath ![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
and the moral is: never edit your quotes ![](smileys/smiley9.gif)
wait, how do we know that "richardh" and "Dick Heath" aren't the same person- Dick being a nickname for richard, and H could stand for Heath...I'm on to you!
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 07:53 |
ELP=SEX??
CANT SEE IT MYSELF
BUT AS I THINK I MENTIONED SOME MONTHS AGO IN ANOTHER THRAED I HAD AN EXGIRLFREIND WHO THOUGHT "TARKUS" WAS A SEXY ALBUM
GO FIGURE![](smileys/smiley5.gif)
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 20:21 |
Tarkus is a sexy album !!!... OMG...by the time Greg comes in with "Clear the battlefield..and let me see" ... I'm generally wishing I was on my knees....
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Dick Heath
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 20:29 |
James Lee wrote:
[QUOTE=richardh][QUOTE=James Lee][QUOTE=richardh]
wait, how do we know that "richardh" and "Dick Heath" aren't the
same person- Dick being a nickname for richard, and H could stand for
Heath...I'm on to you!
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Oh no you're not![Cool](smileys/smiley16.gif) ![](smileys/smiley16.gif)
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Dick Heath
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 20:32 |
threefates wrote:
I'm generally wishing I was on my knees....![](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif) |
That thought had me thinking - but I assume you are not talking the bonking thread ![Embarrassed](smileys/smiley9.gif) here..........................
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 20:39 |
Oh Dick.. you know me better than that.... of course I was... ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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threefates
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 21:00 |
Yes, that is my last name...and my fathers... my 2 brothers....and now my son...
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Posted: August 27 2004 at 21:02 |
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