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TheH 
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Joined: October 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1152 |
 Posted: May 13 2017 at 11:53 |
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Sorry but if there is a safe place in the world it is Europe.
I have been about everywhere in the world, and the only time I was in serious trouble was in the USA. I actually woke up in my hotel room on the second day I ever spent in the US with a gun hold to my head. |
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Warthur
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Joined: January 06 2008 Location: London, UK Status: Offline Points: 617 |
Posted: May 13 2017 at 12:05 |
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The "danger" is radically overstated. Terrorist attacks hit the news cycle hard precisely because they are rare; I see news stories about bands in safe-seeming cities in the US getting cleaned out because of people stealing their gear far more regularly than you get news stories about terrorist attacks in general, and major venues over here are generally very good at security and were even before the Bataclan incident, and have tightened things up since then. Seriously; I live over here. The way some US media portrays Europe has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with promoting an action movie view of a world in chaos because that's what drives ratings, clicks and subscriptions. Frankly, there was far more hostility towards Americans over here back in the mid-2000s, after the invasion of Iraq, and I don't recall Kansas having any problems touring then. This stinks of arse-covering. Maybe Kansas are genuinely blinkered enough to believe this, but as an international touring act I'd expect them to be a bit less provincial than that. My first guess was some sort of in-band drama, but ticket sales might have been an issue too - it's worth remembering that though they were pretty successful in the States, over here Kansas aren't really known for anything other than Carry On My Wayward Son, and many listeners only know that thanks to Guitar Hero.
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Logan
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Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35886 |
Posted: May 13 2017 at 12:17 |
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^^ I've also traveled a lot, but never had anything like that happen to me.
The safest I ever felt was while living in Japan (south of Osaka). My then girlfriend and I would walk around the forested paths of lakes late at night and we never had the slightest concern for our safety. I've never felt that safe here in Canada. I lived in Australia too without incident. I love Paris, and was never in physical danger, but I had to wear a money belt and was pick-pocketed (was blamed by Parisians I spoke to on the Roma - gypsies). According to this list, Singapore is the safest country to live in, but scores badly for freedoms. Europe is the continent that has the most countries deemed safe. Safest countries to live in It really depends upon where in Europe and where in the US you are. Sweden is generally considered safe, for instance, but Malmo isn't (although the dangers there may be exaggerated due to anti-immigrant sentiments). Edited by Logan - May 13 2017 at 12:18 |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: May 13 2017 at 18:15 |
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They're from Kansas... Need we say mmore??  Everyone in Kansas voted Trump and owns gub-ns to shoot rats that are decimating the cornfields   |
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17847 |
Posted: May 13 2017 at 22:45 |
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^^ Dude you can't say "danger" or "dangerous" you should say "unsafe" so people do not get scared too much or in panic mode!
Please go to Monterrey Mexico in the state of Nuevo Leon, where they cut peoples heads off, the drug lords rule, they hang bodies from poles, they blow up nightclubs, take into the desert and you never are found and these are all their own people. I have been there many times, speak the language very well, I am not Mexican but easily can fit in. I never go out at night nor would you ever catch me at a nightclub there or any concert....Why? Because it's fu**ing DANGEROUS, I don't understand how anything like that can be radically overstated. How about this thought....Low ticket sales, if that was the issue, is because people are not interested in going to see an American band play in Europe because of the possibility of radical action, sorry unsafe conditions, and people will get hurt. Sometimes a little common sense can save lives.
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twosteves
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Joined: May 01 2007 Location: NYC/Rhinebeck Status: Offline Points: 4091 |
Posted: May 14 2017 at 18:34 |
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I have a feeling they didn't sell enough tickets----does anyone in Europe want to see Kansas? Do people in Kansas want to see Kansas? lol I see them as maybe selling tickets in certain parts of the USA . No ticket sales so maybe couldn;t afford security except for a 75 year old retired traffic cop.
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uduwudu
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 06:50 |
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^Publicity stunt then?
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Meltdowner
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 07:39 |
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Rednight
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Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4807 |
Posted: May 15 2017 at 09:03 |
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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Meltdowner
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Posted: May 15 2017 at 09:19 |
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^ There are plenty. It seems they were quite popular in Spain though, all their albums had more than one Spanish pressing. The only album I have from them, POKR, was actually bought there.
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Lewian
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Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14742 |
Posted: May 15 2017 at 09:44 |
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You think I better don't go and watch Suzanne Vega after having survived the UK for so long and Europe for my whole life? Nonsense, seriously! |
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17847 |
Posted: May 15 2017 at 10:31 |
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You miss the point. No radical group will target the band Kansas, or Suzanne Vega...Why should they? Both of them can walk the streets of any big city in the world and nothing will happen except maybe the occasional pick pocket if they look like tourists..so we agree very little to zero chance anything will happen walking the streets. The chances of something happening during one of their shows to the audience goes up, and please nobody is saying it is 100% chance, but there is a chance. No band or promoter wants their name attached to that possibility. If ur upset because they cancelled a European tour because of radical actions there, ok I get it. I too would not understand how a band would cancel a show here in Seattle because they thought some radical group would cause havoc at the show. I go to shows in small venues where there is little to no security check at the doors, yet go to a large stadium venue and you are passing thru metal detectors like you are getting ready to board a plane. Like I said earlier, there are arguments on both sides......but you can't argue being safe. |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 20850 |
Posted: May 15 2017 at 10:59 |
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Yes I can!
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Dellinger
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VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12732 |
Posted: May 15 2017 at 20:37 |
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The thing is, there are still too many artists offering concerts all over Europe. I bet the ones cancelling because of this are nearly none of them. So, for Kansas to cancel, well, it will make just about no difference in security. It just makes no sense.
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Catcher10
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Posted: May 16 2017 at 09:48 |
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I agree, so I don't get all the pissing and moaning about Kansas....go see another show.
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dr wu23
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Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20623 |
Posted: May 16 2017 at 11:54 |
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 16 2017 at 12:19 |
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Logos
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Joined: March 08 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 2383 |
Posted: May 18 2017 at 11:17 |
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This news is the most idiotic thing I've heard in years.
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17847 |
Posted: May 22 2017 at 18:07 |
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Lets hope this was not a terrorist attack, hoping it was a pyro malfunction or something similar.......I'll leave it at that for now.
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17847 |
Posted: May 22 2017 at 18:40 |
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....and now reports of a controlled explosion by Manchester police, a device found......ughhh. Those poor parents and families..........
Phucked up world we live in....
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