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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65310 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 19:51 | |
^ Which may be one of his best qualities; vulnerability, which as you point out will crush him. Maybe next time when his armor is thicker.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 19:56 | |
and admirable trait.. I have nothing against him. Just that he is unelectable in a election that has so much at stake. Personally.. as I've been posting...I think Senator Warren is the future of the liberal wing of the party. Hillary is probably the last gasp of the centrist branch.. and her failure to do what the liberal wing will do will set the stage for the liberal wing to take over the party. Perhaps just in time for the GOP to collapse upon itself.
who knows.. we lived through the Reagan revolution.. perhaps we are looking at the beginning.. through Bernie.. of the Warren revolution. |
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 19:59 | |
Just get on over that colonization Africans! Apartheid ended 22 years ago! Never mind that the neoliberal reforms pushed even more people into poverty after that! Quit complaining you guys! |
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 20:06 | |
As far as I can tell Hillary is just a continuation of the Reagan/Thatcher regime. I do think there might be hope for a push towards New Deal/Keynesian/Scandinavian-style social democratic politics, a lot of people who have aligned themselves with Bernie, like Warren and Tim Canova have been vocal and gaining support this election cycle thanks to Sanders. |
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micky
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Posted: May 15 2016 at 20:18 | |
Bernie may be the face.. but IMO only after the real power decided not to run. I think you may have it wrong there. Bernie has aligned himself (by joining the Democratic Party) with Warren. Not the other way around.
That in itself gets my respect as a political force to be reckoned with. She is smart and has political savy... sorry.. I don't see that in Bernie. He is throwing away any leverage with the party by staying in when he lost any chance to get the nomination. So the question must fairly be asked.. is he doing this out of what he belives in.. well fail on that.. or out of ego.. fail on that. Warren is the real power of that branch.. Bernie.. I'd like to think he could have been setting the stage.. but one can say he is not doing a good job of it. Sure he has energized and mobilized the idealists and the young.. but at some point.. one has to think long long term. Bernie was never going to win the nomination. He needed to get some of the planks put into the Democratic platform. Is he blowing it by holding out. Maybe ..maybe not. Hillary is nothing if but a very shrewd politician. Shrewd..well that is just what Warren is. Waiting... 4 years.. 8 years.. it will be her.. and as I pointed out earlier in this thread. By waiing she has let Hillary and her POWERFUL group of centrist supporter clear out she will have the whole of the party behind her. Thus the transition I think we are going to see from the Clinton -> Clinton moderate/centrist Democratic party.. to a more liberal one. you saw that chart I posted earlier I suppose and could read it as well I could. The party is moving left.. Bernie was just ahead of that time. Elizabeth knew that and sat this out and is waiting.. and building a power base in the Senate which she, or any Democrat will need to implement REAL change. Edited by micky - May 15 2016 at 20:25 |
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emigre80
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 25 2015 Location: kentucky Status: Offline Points: 2223 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 21:35 | |
yes, of course. I remember so well how Reagan/Thatcher supported gender equality, gun control, GBLTQ rights, immigration, the social welfare net, universal health care and non-fascist judges. That is why Hillary Clinton will be just a continuation of everything they did. Honestly, is it just that I'm older than all of you or that I actually have a memory of the Reagan/Thatcher years - having lived under both of them? I just don't for the life of me understand how people look at Hillary Clinton and see an arch-conservative. *edited because I really do know how to spell immigration.
Edited by emigre80 - May 15 2016 at 21:53 |
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65310 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 21:38 | |
^ Agreed-- Reagan was a cold shower in the face of decency. Of course Hillary is establishment, but so was JFK.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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emigre80
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 25 2015 Location: kentucky Status: Offline Points: 2223 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 21:52 | |
Thank you. I was starting to feel as if I had been dropped into an alternate universe.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65310 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 21:54 | |
Angry young men.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:02 | |
I mean regime in which the US is building a neoliberal global hegemony. Social issues are just window dressing for Clinton, I really don't think she has any real commitment to them. |
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emigre80
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Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:05 | |
My opinion is that there's a fair dose of sexism as well as anger. I had a not-so-young man tell me last week that the only thing Hillary Clinton has ever accomplished in her life was to be married to Bill Clinton.
If graduating Yale Law School, being a US Senator for 8 years and Secretary of State for four means you have never accomplished anything, then my life has really been a complete waste of space. The cute part is this guy is one of my bosses. So now I know how he feels about women. Charming.
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emigre80
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 25 2015 Location: kentucky Status: Offline Points: 2223 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:12 | |
Of course not. Yale Law School graduates often go to work for the Children's Defense Fund and fight for children's health coverage only as a cover up for their nefarious conservative agendas. Nice to know you were not fooled by this obvious tactic. I offer the following from the Children's Defense Fund website: “CDF is pleased to recognize Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has been a tireless voice for children. She’s brilliant. She cares deeply about children. She perseveres. She’s an incredibly hard worker, and she stays with it. She’s done extraordinarily well in everything she’s ever done. and I’m just so proud of her,” said Marian Wright Edelman, President of the Children’s Defense Fund. - See more at: http://www.childrensdefense.org/newsroom/cdf-in-the-news/press-releases/2013/honoring-hillary-clinton.html#sthash.y1usblOd.dpuf And from factcheck.org: "One of Clinton’s signature claims has come under fire from political foes, quoted by the Boston Globe, who say she doesn’t deserve credit for expanding federal health insurance for millions of children. We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the SCHIP legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality." Window dressing, indeed. |
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A Person
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Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:17 | |
She does not seem to care much for the children in Honduras who suffer because of the military coup she provided tacit support of. |
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micky
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Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:24 | |
*spits beer on monitor*
well there goes Hillary's case for sainthood... he had to dig DEEP for that rebuttal... but I think he got you there Terri |
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A Person
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:40 | |
Nah I already posted about it in this thread. The Clinton's also used the Clinton Foundation to exploit the earthquake in Haiti for their own profit, and her involvement in the decision to invade Libya off the top of my head. I just can't imagine building an image as a socially liberal politician meaning much when so many innocent people suffer from your use of power, political or economic. |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 22:46 | |
good reason not to put her on your Christmas card list I suppose... good think we are trying to elect a President.. not a Saint... and since any Politicians.. sh*t.. any person is not without mistakes... I'll give her a pass even even half of what you are blabbering about is true. Truth is.. I could care less and knew already she isn't a saint. I'm a good person... well meaning.. big hearted and with it in the right place...yet I've done more than a few things I wish I hadn't.
It is life... good luck awaiting on a politician that hasn't f**ked someone over.. made some shady money or whatever.. |
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Smurph
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
Posted: May 15 2016 at 23:28 | |
Yea, but neither them nor their parents can vote in the US election.
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timothy leary
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Posted: May 16 2016 at 10:04 | |
http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/how-hillary-clinton-betrayed-the-childrens-defense-fund-for-political-gain Behaving badly again.
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: May 16 2016 at 13:34 | |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: May 16 2016 at 13:37 | |
Sanders' has been a great campaign that has given the US Democratic elections a necessary leftward shift. As of right now though, I just wish he and his zealots (of which he is not 100% responsible) would just drop out of the race. His only effect now is to make the election of Trump more possible.
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