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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2008 at 21:36
Nice.  I have both of those releases too.  Enjoy!

I do still lack some Canterbury though, including some later Caravan releases, that other Hatfield and the North release I mentioned earlier and many many many many Soft Machine live releases.

I have everything by Matching Miole and I still need some Wyatt, which I've somehow not got around to buying yet, such as Old Rottenhat and the previous effort before Comicopera, whose name escapes me for the time being.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2008 at 23:21
Well, that's another thing...I need to get some Matching Mole and Wyatt solo.  Yeesh, what a drain on the wallet!  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2008 at 23:32
If you love Wyatt, check out News from Babel's second album Letters Home.  Wyatt guests on it as a vocalist and it's brilliant.

It strangely reminds me of an odd sounding VdGG, mostly due to Lindsay Cooper's keyboard playing, as well as the lyrical style of Cutler's lyrics.  A very interesting album indeed.

The boxset is worth buying, which includes their debut, a one of single and Letters Home.  Although it's classed as RIO/Avant-Prog, it's quite accessible, like some of Henry Cow is also accessible.  Definitely check them out!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2008 at 23:33
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:


Well, that's another thing...I need to get some Matching Mole and Wyatt solo.  Yeesh, what a drain on the wallet!  Wink


But so worth it!

You really can't go wrong with Space Shanty. That was an album that, for me, went from 'pretty good' to 'mindblowing' in the span of a few listens. When I was in Maui I must have listened to it 5 times a day. Excellent, excellent, excellent record.

Quiet Sun's Mainstream is another excellent one, if slightly difficult to find. Sort of National Health-y, but without being derivative.

You guys should check out Moving Gelatine Plates as well, excellent French band (though a bit of a sad career story, lack of promotion and finances cut it short) that played Softs-ish keyboard-based Canterbury. The Story of Genius Hans is definitely worth looking for.

Hmm... what have I forgotten?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2008 at 23:43
I find this subgenre is more accessible because of its particular brand of quirkiness--I don't think I've ever played Caravan for someone who didn't like it.  I've also seen music critics who have nothing good to say about the big symphonic bands write about Canterbury groups, generally talking about the music as a fusion of "psychedelic" and "jazz" elements and avoiding that dirty word "prog."  Any thoughts on this?  Is Canterbury, perhaps, the most accessible subgenre, at least for a certain sort of music fan?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2008 at 23:48
Originally posted by blaughida blaughida wrote:

I find this subgenre is more accessible because of its particular brand of quirkiness--I don't think I've ever played Caravan for someone who didn't like it.  I've also seen music critics who have nothing good to say about the big symphonic bands write about
Canterbury groups, generally talking about the music as a fusion of "psychedelic" and
"jazz" elements and avoiding that dirty word "prog."  Any thoughts
on this?  Is Canterbury, perhaps, the most accessible subgenre, at least for a certain sort of music fan?


Well, Caravan have their own brand of quirky prog that borders pop at times, making them fairly accessible. The cheerful lyrics and happy music don't hurt either.

Delving deeper, however, it's kind of hit or miss as to whether prog newbies will like it or not, especially involving more technically complex groups like Egg. I didn't really like Matching Mole on first listen, either. I played The Rotter's Club in the car awhile back. We made it up until The Yes No Interlude before my mother turned it off, citing "nastiness" as the reason!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 06:18
I came to find Egg when I ran out of ELP albums.A suggestion from a local record dealer,and a good one.
Those keyboards are in your face and really superb.They also came over as a bit of a shock to the system,being more experimental in places.They still amaze me now,just listen to The Song of McGillicudie.Still trying to work out whats actually going on there,I mean those vocals.Sorta gave up trying to sing along with it.Wacko
 
The rotters club album,Can't help wondering if that cheeky little rascal in the foreground holding his arms up on the cd booklet is one of the band members as a child?.ErmmAny ideas?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 07:28
Canterbury is fast becoming my favorite prog sub genre, or maybe it allready is, im still pretty new and so far only know the bigger bands, i yust love the canterbury sound the bands have pure magic. Dave Stewart is simply amazing love all the stuff he did with Egg, Hatfield and the north and National health. Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 07:33
Originally posted by scruffydragon scruffydragon wrote:

I came to find Egg when I ran out of ELP albums.A suggestion from a local record dealer,and a good one.
Those keyboards are in your face and really superb.They also came over as a bit of a shock to the system,being more experimental in places.They still amaze me now,just listen to The Song of McGillicudie.Still trying to work out whats actually going on there,I mean those vocals.Sorta gave up trying to sing along with it.Wacko
 
The rotters club album,Can't help wondering if that cheeky little rascal in the foreground holding his arms up on the cd booklet is one of the band members as a child?.ErmmAny ideas?
 
Well im far from 100% sure but i think its Richard Sinclair. Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 15:41
Richard Sinclair,wow.He's a braver man then I am.Looking at my ole photos makes me want to  Cry.
There is so much warmth in caravans music,it just welcomes you in.Thats quite rare,sometimes its hard to put something else on.Listening earlier to Caravan and the new symphonia,was rather taken back by Memory lain,The dog the dog,and Hoedown.I believe these were left off the origonal album,but reinstated on the 2001 reissue.These were warm up numbers before the New symphonia joined in.Mindblowing stuff,as Caravan comes over as good as on their studio albums,but theres just so much life flowing through  these pieces.Big%20smile
Gonna have to check out some of their 70's live recordings.Thumbs%20Up
 
Oh,yeh,Like to say "Hi James",Yep i'm a Wiltshire man alright.Don't know much about Kandahar but will  look them up soon as very curious.Thanx.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 15:46
The only tough thing about a lot of the albums I'm exploring is that it's very difficult to find them at reasonable prices.  I've been hunting around for Egg records and they're all about $25 at the low end.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 16:31
One of the reasons I moved from vinyl to cd,also the added bonus tracks were attractive..Still miss the sound of vinyl.Unhappy
But even cd's tend sometimes to be pressed in small numbers or have limited areas of release,It make life hard sometimes when you want an album so badly and you cannot get it.Sorta hurts.Cry
Had an experiance recently when looking for the complete National Health set.Its an old set from 1990,but did not think it would be hard to get for a reasonable price.How wrong was I.Done many searches to compare prices and was stunned at what people wanted for it.£28+ for a good copy up to £150 for a mint one.ShockedLucky that a fella had one on E-bay for £17.worth every penny.Also had to import cd's in last few months,surprising that these were english bands,but albums re-released in Japan or Korea.They sell over here for a fortune,as collectors pieces.Cheaper to buy them in from Russia,and that includes postage.
Still looking for a cd re-issue of the Moving Gelatine Plates albums.Expect that they have been re-issued but where in the world?Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 18:44
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

The only tough thing about a lot of the albums I'm exploring is that it's very difficult to find them at reasonable prices.  I've been hunting around for Egg records and they're all about $25 at the low end.


As rewarding as continuing searching could be, The Polite Force is worth every penny of that $25.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 18:47
scruffydragon, you should check out Ultima Thule if you are 'round the area any time http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ultimathule/main.html. I know they stock that Moving Gelatine Plates disc you are looking for. Funnily enough I have never really had too much trouble finding Canterbury over here in Aus, last weekend I was down in Melbourne and nearly picked up that same disc.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 18:49
Also, I recommend everyone check out Arzachel and their 1969 one-off. It contained Steve Hillage, Dave Stewart, Mont Cambell and Clive Brooks, all of whom would later continue on as Canterbury artists (Steve Hillage as...well... you know... and the rest would go on to form Egg, as well as Dave Stewart's numerous other projects). It's mostly straight-up psychedelia, but it's one of my favorites of the genre and it's interesting to see where these superstars had their beginning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 20:13
ScruffyDragon, I buy mostly online nowadays.  I was lucky enough to find a copy of Caravan's ItLoGaP and that BBC 2-CD album in H.M.V. Swindon.

The National Health boxset I purchased either from Greg Walker or Wayside Music, I believe.  It's indeed excellent and the liner notes are very amusing too, I love the English humour relating to touring around Europe.

It's going to be impossible to find Kandahar.  Their debut I believe was cassette only and their second release I believe was a vinyl release.  Neither album has been re-released on CD.  They are crying out for a re-mastering and re-release!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 21:29
This is interesting, anyone ever hear of this project called Soft Heap?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_Heap_(band)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 28 2008 at 23:34
I'm pretty much in love with Caravan.
 
But where do I go from there?
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2008 at 00:25
Originally posted by Drakk Drakk wrote:

I'm pretty much in love with Caravan.
 
But where do I go from there?


Check out two things:  the Canterbury genre page on ProgArchives, and Chameleon's Canterbury blog, the link to which is in my introductory post in this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 29 2008 at 05:21
Hi all,this is getting to be a busy little thread.Thumbs%20Up
 
Thankyou for tip about Ultima Thule,WOW.There's a lot of good music on there,so its gonna be the case of buy food then eject the moths from my wallet.Big%20smile
 
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