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Points: 13536 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:05
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

  1. Crossover Prog will create more problems being that the linits with Prog Related will be far more complex to find, I visualize problems with that one because it's just a matter of degree that is very hard to find in some cases.

But the idea is OK, if a genre so big was too hard to manage, then it's better to split it.

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Actually, as I noticed, the definition of Crossover Prog was initially thrown in place of Prog Related. By mistake, I assume. Wink
BTW, doesn't the word "crossover" mean the same as "eclectic"? Confused
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I see Crossover as a place for for artists like Howe, Gabriel, etc athat are too iconic for Prog Related but not totally Prog.
 
 
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I understand the Moody Blues and Radiohead in crossover prog, but I don't know if I agree with the Tangent being in there. They don't seem very "mainstream-influenced" (except for "The Sun in my Eyes.") No one I have ever talked to in real life has ever even heard of The Tangent. It's very difficult for me to agree with that move, but overall it is a change for the better.

Perhaps all the bands have not yet been changed to their final spots, so I will not complain, for now.
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generally I think this is a good idea, I always felt uncomfortable with King Crimson and VdGG being listed under "Symphonic Prog"


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dang. BaldJean be me to it; I'm fine with the new changes, as long as the bands mentioned in the subgenre's summary are actually in the subgenre....
 
obvious mistake, and I'm sure the Art Rock guys are still getting it sorted outWink 
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Points: 7744 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:09
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

^Probably just a mistke Jean, it doesn't make much sense.

another mistake: "High Tide" in "Crossover Prog"? have you ever heard them? they are the prime example for "heavy prog"

In case you missed my earlier post, Jean, I said
 
All art rock bands are still listed as Crossover at this time, aren't they? Eclectic and Heavy are completely empty right now, just let the fellas do their thing.


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Gentle Giant is mentioned as an example in the Eclectic Prog definition whilst they're in Crossover Prog at the moment. It looks like all the bands that previously were in Art Rock are now in Crossover Prog. Obviously the transformation isn't complete.
Patience people... Smile


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cross·o·ver      /ˈkrɔsˌoʊvər, ˈkrɒs-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kraws-oh-ver, kros-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
1.a bridge or other structure for crossing over a river, highway, etc.
2.Genetics.
a.crossing over.
b.a genotype resulting from crossing over.
3.Popular Music.
a.the act of crossing over in style, usually with the intention of broadening the commercial appeal to a wider audience.
b.music that crosses over in style, occasionally sharing attributes with several musical styles and therefore often appealing to a broader audience.

ec·lec·tic      /ɪˈklɛktɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-klek-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective
1.selecting or choosing from various sources.
2.made up of what is selected from different sources.
3.not following any one system, as of philosophy, medicine, etc., but selecting and using what are considered the best elements of all systems.
4.noting or pertaining to works of architecture, decoration, landscaping, etc., produced by a certain person or during a certain period, that derive from a wide range of historic styles, the style in each instance often being chosen for its fancied appropriateness to local tradition, local geography, the purpose to be served, or the cultural background of the client.
–noun
5.Also, ec·lec·ti·cist      /ɪˈklɛktəsɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-klek-tuh-sist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. a person who follows an eclectic method, as in philosophy or architecture.


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Originally posted by Inverted Inverted wrote:

I understand the Moody Blues and Radiohead in crossover prog, but I don't know if I agree with the Tangent being in there. They don't seem very "mainstream-influenced" (except for "The Sun in my Eyes.") No one I have ever talked to in real life has ever even heard of The Tangent. It's very difficult for me to agree with that move, but overall it is a change for the better.

Perhaps all the bands have not yet been changed to their final spots, so I will not complain, for now.
 
Please, leave the guys from the team work, they have only given the first step, this is a work for months, I know how hard it is, leave the particular cases for the end,
 
Now lets focus ins the general fine tunning, they still have to check each and every band as they been doing very proffesionally, so if a band is bad labeled, that will be corrected when the time comes and al the structure is ready.
 
If we start asking Hey X doesn't belong he re but there, wer're not helping them, still there is work to be done with the structure.
 
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So how about a simplified explanation for my humble IQ?

ECLECTIC PROG - good old messy bands like CRIMSON and GENTLE GIANT.
CROSSOVER PROG - easy listening prog (but not prog related)

So let's say, Pavlov's Dog dog are crossover, and Wishbone Ash, slight less prog are on the other side of the line and they remain prog related. Right?

And heavy prog is Tangerine Dream I guess...that damn equipment must've been very heavyWink
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JEAN CHILL OUT!!!
 
Its not finished!
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:15
I just wanted to explain the difference between "crossover" and "eclectic", since someone had mentioned they were the same


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

cross·o·ver      /ˈkrɔsˌoʊvər, ˈkrɒs-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kraws-oh-ver, kros-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
1.a bridge or other structure for crossing over a river, highway, etc.
2.Genetics.
a.crossing over.
b.a genotype resulting from crossing over.
3.Popular Music.
a.the act of crossing over in style, usually with the intention of broadening the commercial appeal to a wider audience.
b.music that crosses over in style, occasionally sharing attributes with several musical styles and therefore often appealing to a broader audience.

ec·lec·tic      /ɪˈklɛktɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-klek-tik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective
1.selecting or choosing from various sources.
2.made up of what is selected from different sources.
3.not following any one system, as of philosophy, medicine, etc., but selecting and using what are considered the best elements of all systems.
4.noting or pertaining to works of architecture, decoration, landscaping, etc., produced by a certain person or during a certain period, that derive from a wide range of historic styles, the style in each instance often being chosen for its fancied appropriateness to local tradition, local geography, the purpose to be served, or the cultural background of the client.
–noun
5.Also, ec·lec·ti·cist      /ɪˈklɛktəsɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-klek-tuh-sist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation. a person who follows an eclectic method, as in philosophy or architecture.



As I said:

crossing over = selecting or choosing from various sources

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Edited by Tuzvihar - August 20 2007 at 17:16
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Yea guys I seriously doubt the people working on the changes are even listening to your opinion on which band belongs in which subgenre right now.
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Points: 10387 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:17
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

So how about a simplified explanation for my humble IQ?

ECLECTIC PROG - good old messy bands like CRIMSON and GENTLE GIANT.
CROSSOVER PROG - easy listening prog (but not prog related)

So let's say, Pavlov's Dog dog are crossover, and Wishbone Ash, slight less prog are on the other side of the line and they remain prog related. Right?

And heavy prog is Tangerine Dream I guess...that damn equipment must've been very heavyWink

"heavy prog" would be bands like High Tide or Uriah Heep


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I think progressive metal should be its own subgenre


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Originally posted by explodingjosh explodingjosh wrote:

Yea guys I seriously doubt the people working on the changes are even listening to your opinion on which band belongs in which subgenre right now.


Say whut, jimbo?

(Schizoid, you have unleashed all hell with your thread.)
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Points: 4160 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:21
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

So how about a simplified explanation for my humble IQ?

ECLECTIC PROG - good old messy bands like CRIMSON and GENTLE GIANT.
CROSSOVER PROG - easy listening prog (but not prog related)

So let's say, Pavlov's Dog dog are crossover, and Wishbone Ash, slight less prog are on the other side of the line and they remain prog related. Right?

And heavy prog is Tangerine Dream I guess...that damn equipment must've been very heavyWink

"heavy prog" would be bands like High Tide or Uriah Heep


I know, Jeanine, I used a wink...I hope my IQ is not that humble!LOL

However, I'm very glad because of that category..for the sake of Uriah Heep, Birth Control and many others!!
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Points: 507 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2007 at 17:21
Not only was this thread thuroughly confusing, but it's also added more to argue about. As you can see above.
 
I hope those in charge figure out what to set in stone though - goodluck.
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Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

I think progressive metal should be its own subgenre
 
Yup. So do the people who work on the subgenres, since there already is a Prog Metal subgenre. If you meant "I think prog metal should be subdivided like Art Rock," then I agree.
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