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 Posted: April 24 2006 at 09:19 |
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This poll brings the conclusion to me that DT is quite disliked here. |
'twas ever thus.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:25 |
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Still, there are people that seem to think that "Scream Bloody Gore" by Death is a masterpiece of Prog, so that probably says a lot  |
Wait, weren't you all that far from being one of these people?
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Tenth Chaffinch
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 10:41 |
Whoever made this poll turned on the multiple votes option, so it's probably one dickhead voting for these bands over and over again.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:17 |
Tenth Chaffinch wrote:
Whoever made this poll turned on the multiple votes option, so it's probably one dickhead voting for these bands over and over again. |
I made this poll under the idea that you would only vote for as many bands once. I believe you are the Dickhead making multiple votes. What kind of language is dickhead? It certainly isn't dramatic enough to make a difference.
Edited by Xenoxen - April 24 2006 at 11:26
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Rorro
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 11:53 |
I respect the ones that don't like Dream Theater (for me is good, and that's all).
But, non prog band??????????????????????????????????
Come on
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 16:22 |
Well this poll shows the character of some of our posters here. Anyone who thinks Dream Theater, Glass Hammer, or Spock's Beard are not progressive should really reevaluate what they think progressive music is.
If Dream Thetaer isn't progressive, why don't we get rid of every progressive metal band on this site?
If the Who isn't progressive why don't we elimiate the Proto Prog categories? Well that may be a good idea.
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A Guy
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I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta?
Edited by A Guy - April 24 2006 at 18:03
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Rorro
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 20:10 |
There's nothig not prog about TMV, in fact it is the most progressive group of that list, the only problem is that there's a lot of people who hates them just because they don't understand it or think they're too noisy, so they try to attack them by saying they're not progressive.
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Arsillus
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 20:12 |
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All the bands listed are good, but the Who is definitely not prog.
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 23:12 |
so, if i want i can vote 30 times?
well, my vote goes for The Who, between that bands is the less progressive, in fact its not progressive.
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 23:32 |
| They are pushing music further IMO |
Yeah, definitely (SARCASM!). Every song sounds like Genesis's The Waiting Room from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're trying to replicate. TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it, but it's nothing but whiney emo pap. TMV gets is b*lls licked while amazing bands like Porcupine Tree and Primus get sh*t on. Frankly I'm sick of it.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta? |
There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around. Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!
Edited by DeepPhreeze - April 24 2006 at 23:34
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 03:43 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
| They are pushing music further IMO |
Yeah, definitely (SARCASM!).
Every song sounds like Genesis's The Waiting Room from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're trying to replicate.
TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it, but it's nothing but whiney emo pap. TMV gets is b*lls licked while amazing bands like Porcupine Tree and Primus get sh*t on. Frankly I'm sick of it.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta? |
There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.
Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!
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I think you're understanding bad what 'progressive' means, and you don't need to insult other's opinion when you're giving a different one. IMO TMV is the most progressive band playing around, i don't agree with you at all, (see, i disagree but do not insult you or your thoughts). I think that in every point TMV is far far far better than Porcupine Tree, but that doesn't mean you're wrong if you preffer PT, at all.
What i don't understand is your 'progresive' definition, how can you say that TMV isn't prog and then say that PT is prog, really, i wonder, please explain.
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 04:24 |
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I think? |
No, you don't.
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 08:12 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
Well this poll shows the character of some of our posters here. Anyone who thinks Dream Theater, Glass Hammer, or Spock's Beard are not progressive should really reevaluate what they think progressive music is.
If Dream Thetaer isn't progressive, why don't we get rid of every progressive metal band on this site? Best idea I've heard in ages!!
If the Who isn't progressive why don't we elimiate the Proto Prog categories? Well that may be a good idea. |
Oh dear, Queen ain't winning this yet - better slip a few more votes on .... oops, what a giveaway
Edited by Joolz - April 25 2006 at 08:13
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 08:26 |
Do moderators have chance (or authority) to notice and declare who (s) voted for DT? It would be entertaining to know
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 09:17 |
DeepPhreeze wrote:
| They are pushing music further IMO |
Yeah, definitely (SARCASM!).
Every song sounds like Genesis's The Waiting Room from The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're trying to replicate.
TMV sucks. It takes balls to say it, but it's nothing but whiney emo pap. TMV gets is b*lls licked while amazing bands like Porcupine Tree and Primus get sh*t on. Frankly I'm sick of it.
I'm not trying to start an argument, but what exactly is not progressive about the Mars Volta? |
There is nothing 'progressive' about one giant jam session packed with pseudo-sci-fi sound effects and severe distortion to mask the lack of talent all around.
Long live ATDI, DOWN WITH TMV!
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Here's why The Mars Volta are prog. Hope you don't mind, The Miracle.  -
Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate
melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp. These
are often described as epics and are the genre's clearest nod to
classical music. An early example is the 23-minute "Echoes" by Pink
Floyd. Other famous examples include Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick"
(43 minutes), Yes' "Close to the Edge" (18 minutes) and Genesis'
"Supper's Ready" (23 minutes). More recent extreme examples are the
60-minute "Light of Day, Day of Darkness" by Green Carnation and
"Garden of Dreams" by The Flower Kings.
Cassandra Geminni. Nuff said.
- Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives,
covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion,
war, love, and madness. Many early 1970s progressive rock bands
(especially German ones) featured lyrics concerned with left-wing
politics and social issues.
They cover love revenge, life after death and fantasy(a person going through a coma is the concept of De-loused)
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Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an
entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play. In the days of
vinyl, these were usually two-record sets with strikingly designed
gatefold sleeves. Famous examples include The Lamb Lies Down on
Broadway by Genesis, Tales from Topographic Oceans by Yes, 2112 by
Rush, Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall by Pink Floyd, and the more
recent Metropolis Part II: Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater and
Snow by Spock's Beard. Aqualung, perhaps the best-known record by
Jethro Tull, is often regarded as a concept album due to its recurring
themes, but songwriter Ian Anderson has always claimed that the album
is just "a bunch of songs".
Both of their albums have obscure and deep concepts about love, hate, revenge, etc......-
Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies. See Magma, Robert Wyatt, and Gentle Giant.
Mirenda, Cassandra Geminni, L'via, and much more........
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Prominent use of electronic instrumentation — particularly keyboard
instruments such as the organ, piano, Mellotron, and Moog synthesizer,
in addition to the usual rock combination of electric guitar, bass and
drums.
Great keyboard work, especially on FTM.
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Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings. Many pieces use
multiple time signatures and/or tempi, sometimes concurrently. Solo
passages for virtually every instrument, designed to showcase the
virtuosity of the player. This is the sort of thing that contributed to
the fame of such performers as keyboardist Rick Wakeman and drummer
Neil Peart.
All the time. Read my review for comments on their incredible musicianship
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Inclusion of classical pieces on albums. For example, Yes start their
concerts with a taped extract of Stravinsky's Firebird suite, and
Emerson Lake and Palmer have performed arrangements of pieces by
Copland, Bartók, Moussorgsky, Prokofiev, Janacek, Alberto Ginastera,
and often feature quotes from J. S. Bach in lead breaks. Jethro Tull
recorded a famous cover of J. S. Bach's "Bouree", in which they turned
the classical piece into a "sleazy jazzy night-club song", according to
Ian Anderson. Marillion started concerts with Rossini's La Gazza Ladra
(The Thieving Magpie). Symphony X has included parts by, or inspired
by, Beethoven, Holst and Mozart
Well, no, but neither did Genesis, Gentle Giant and Pink Floyd.
- An aesthetic linking the music with visual art, a trend started by
The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper's and enthusiastically embraced during the
prog heyday. Some bands became as well-known for the art direction of
their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the
band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular
artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean, whose paintings
and logo design for Yes are so essential to the band's identity they
could be said to serve the same function as corporate branding.
Hipgnosis became equally famous for their unusual sleeves for Pink
Floyd, often featuring experimental photography quite innovative for
the time (two men shaking hands, one of whom is in flames, on the cover
of Wish You Were Here). H.R. Giger's painting for Emerson Lake and
Palmer's Brain Salad Surgery is one of the most famous album sleeves
ever produced.
Their sleeves are masterpieces by Storm
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 09:43 |
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It's one giant jam session.
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:09 |
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:35 |
I thinks Bands like - Glass Hammer, Spock's Beard, Porcupine Tree - These bands try to hard to be progressive. It's almost like watching Play Acting. You can hear the struggle in the music of trying so hard not to sound like the older prog bands. So they become over dramatic
TMV & Radiohead - in my Opinion they just Piece together noises and effects and call it progressive and the effects make no sense to the music or story line. An example of a good effect is when Geddy Lee sings Lenses Polarize and polarizing sound follows immediately. Their music sounds complicated, but when you throw effects, melodys, tempo changes and stops together on a whim it's becomes chaotic more than complicated. So you are just mistaking Complicated for chaotic.
TD - and other metal bands are just Heavy Metal not progressive at all. Just because they right long songs and change tempo doesn't mean they are progressive. You must be unique and different. Metal bands just aren't (i do like like heavy metal bands they are just not progressive to me)
One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich.
Edited by Xenoxen - April 25 2006 at 11:02
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 25 2006 at 10:45 |
Xenoxen wrote:
One Part Of Being Progressive - Is the Melody, Lyrics and Music all make sense with one another. You know like ham and Cheese compliment each other. But pickles and peanut butter just don't go together and even though you put them on bread i wouldn't call it a sandwich. |
It might just be an experimental sandwich ... or maybe even a RIO/Avant-Prog sandwich!
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