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micky 
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 Posted: March 04 2006 at 14:37 |
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that's where I was rather pleased to see you all put them on... prog isn't just about complex, 20 minute longs, instrumental wankfests... those are characteristics... not requirements hahahhah.  |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 05 2006 at 00:00 |
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: March 05 2006 at 01:49 |
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early ELO is progressive rock, Led Zeppelin, Queen
and Deep Purple are early Hard Rock. No Answer and Eldorado at least are mostly progressive albums. Afterwards they became very commerical, but so did Genesis. Cant blame Jeff for following the money, after all, musical freedom was gone by the late 70's anyway. Many other bands should have followed instead of changing their output to recording industry standards and creating a bunch of junk, commercial junk or progressive junk, whats the difference? 
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micky
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Posted: March 05 2006 at 08:43 |
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micky
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Posted: March 05 2006 at 09:01 |
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and since I'm on a roll again this morning and can't let a dead horse rot in peace....
remember Ivan when I opened my big mouth and swallowed not only my foot.. but my whole damn leg hahahhah... back in one of the countless threads devoted to this subject.. I made the assertion that many of that majority that you refer to probably were not familiar with their ENTIRE discography.... granted that was probably not the best thing to come and say... but I offer an example... in another thread I was talking with a poster (no names) who is WELL respected not only by myself but by the forum at large... I asked which albums he had heard... all of them were late 70's albums.... no wonder your majority thinks they are not prog... I offered some suggestions and I'd love to know what he'd think if he checks them out. Prog is such a VAST genre Ivan.. granted I came off as an ass but I still will stand by my theory that many of that 'majority' have not listened to their COMPLETE works. Those that have like yourself and CertifIed .... I of course respect your opinons... remember though... they are just that.. opinions.. just like mine and the fairly sizeable number of people who are familiar with their complete works and think they should be included. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 05 2006 at 12:11 |
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micky
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Posted: March 05 2006 at 12:21 |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: March 06 2006 at 07:16 |
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I certainly would not rate ELO as the most controversial inclusion in the Archives and for me if groups like Queen, Roxy, Muse are added, there was no reasons why this group should not!!Soon or later I gather 10CC will be in also These guys were prog (albeit a little light) until their New World Record /Out Of The Blue phase and Eldorado is prog even if a little kitsch and borrowed. Jeff Lynne was always famous for his Beatles-influenced songwriting, so if Eldorado does sound like Ggt Pepper, this is no great surprise ____________________________________________________________ ________
As for the Roll Over Beethoven with the added intro and outro, this does not make it prog since the body of the song is almost unchanged ELO always a very rnR twist to them!!!! Check Ma ma ma Belle out, to get a load of it. Nevertheless I intend to review them until Face The Music |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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rockandrail
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Joined: September 22 2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 310 |
Posted: March 06 2006 at 07:24 |
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I agree with Hughes (or Sean). ELO are prog until Face the music and , iMHO, ELO II is plainly progressive. ELO followed the same sad way as bands like Earth & Fire. But we all now that the dark side is easier to follow.
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Pierre R, the man who lost his signature
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micky
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 07:46 |
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 .... I can live (and agree with large parts) with that. |
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micky
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 07:49 |
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hahahha... yeah it sure is.... the temptation to follow the dark side is strong... taxi or Rolls Royce.. Dom Perignon or sour milk with breakfast... Playboy models or Trixie from the street corner...... I'd look great in a black suit....... |
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 08:51 |
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The sad part is that ELO probably IS progressive rock...but there's lots of
prog that really sucks... ELO were definitely at the forefront of THAT movement. |
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micky
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 09:33 |
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hahahha... sure buddy.... |
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JayDee
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 10:00 |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 11:07 |
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Guess what, Journey's first two albums were Progressive Rock too! That will blow most peoples concept, but its true! Give them a listen, you'll be surprized. Basically Santana's band that made Caravanserai, Welcome and Santana 3, with less latino groove and NO STEVE PERRY!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 11:14 |
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Journey: You might even add their third album, Next to be proggish , but no quite like their first two, and then Perry happened, Ainsley Dunbar left, and things changed dramaticaly Santana's 70's output (including his solo albums) until 79's Oneness included is awesome and definitely much worth the inclusion. However, we are in both case stuck because the owners want the full discographies in the database |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 06 2006 at 12:03 |
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Gotta love Justice League...... |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 03:24 |
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OK, I remembered well this album given the twenty years lapse between two hearings It did not really change my mind; if previous albums were prog rock, this one is fully symphonic and conceptual, but it is PROGRESSIVE POP. Still good though
 Prog Related (Studio Album, 1974) Avg: 4.21/5 from 14 ratings Review (Permanent link) by Hugues Chantraine Posted 3:17:51 AM EST, 3/7/2006 SPECIAL COLLABORATOR (Honorary Collaborator)  So far, I have rated ELO a little over their own real value (giving them a half-star over what I believe they really deserve – except for the debut album), but with this album, usually regarded by a lot of progheads as their masterpiece: I feel I have to set the record straight! If most progheads look down unnecessarily on previous album, they generally tend to regard this one a bit too highly. Yes, it is fully symphonic and conceptual (and therefore progressive in its own right), but it is POP rather than ROCK (something previous album were not) and just for that ELO loses a bit of credential to this reviewer’s eyes. But please do not let me be a party pooper as the songwriting on this album is still phenomenal - even though only written by Lynne himself, it must’ve been arranged by the whole group. With this album, Lynne actually veers away (finally some might say) from his Fab Four infatuation, but I feel this might be exactly where the weakness in this album lies. Although still plainly an ELO album and in itself a small tour de force, songwriting-wise it does not really resemble any other album of theirs. I think that my main gripe about this album is that the strings and full orchestras are over-used a tad (ton?) too much for my tastes. But some of the evident melodies of previous albums are lacking and even the hit Can’t Get It INTO My Head is not catchy for me. Funnily enough, it is the album that most everyone is ready to laud to the skies, and I personally cannot help feeling that ELO just missed the holy grail by a few hairs had they been a bit less pretentious with this one. But nevertheless, this album should be the proof to dubitative progheads, that ELO has its own full place in the Archives. |
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micky
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 07:41 |
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Sean.... great review as always.. but why should they lose credibility for being stressing songwriting over instrumental pyrotechnics. The Beatles at their most prog were still a pop band at heart, Yes, to some, were nothing more than a supped up pop band. Pop and rock are merely sematic and different to everyone. It is not impossible to be a quote 'pop' band and still rock, and to be a rock band and still be pop. Honestly that's why I was so passionate about having ELO included, it is not standard fare prog and as prog fans the last think we should be is close-minded especially. PA's should be an outlet for all things prog, not just people's main conceptions of it. ELO's main influence was the Beatles... it should be no surprise that their stuff comes across as more popish. Last time I checked though... it's still rock and roll to me. would love to carry on with this... but I'm late to work as it is...  |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: March 07 2006 at 12:07 |
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Just a general note (I put it in another thread too), but could members refrain from posting copies of their own reviews in the forum too. If people wish to read the review, they will do so in the reviews part of the site. If you wish to seek occasional feedback on a specific review, post a link to it. |
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