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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Logan, I had no idea you were around my age or actually probably about four or five years younger. I was 15 in 1985. There might be more of us "80s Yes fans" and prog fans than I previously thought. ;)

I knew about Yes before 90125 because my dad had TYA but it was really the release of 90125 that made me a fan. 


We're the main demographic vein on the PA, bruh.


Not much difference in our ages -- I keep my specific year secret for legal reasons ;) but I was born in the early 70s. Lots of us of the Too Young to Have Properly Prog Rock 'n' Rolled in its Classic Years: Too Old to Not Be Amazed by Vinyl Records Because We Grew Up With CDs. ;) Okay, some of these younger Prog kids will have seen records in museums, their grandparents collections, their parents collections, thrift stores and actually a host of other places. But we were a generation that was using vinyl regularly (maybe cassette tapes more in the 80s) BEFORE it made a comeback...

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90125, of course
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Logan, I had no idea you were around my age or actually probably about four or five years younger. I was 15 in 1985. There might be more of us "80s Yes fans" and prog fans than I previously thought. ;)

I knew about Yes before 90125 because my dad had TYA but it was really the release of 90125 that made me a fan. 


We're the main demographic vein on the PA, bruh.

I doubt it. Tongue
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Logan, I had no idea you were around my age or actually probably about four or five years younger. I was 15 in 1985. There might be more of us "80s Yes fans" and prog fans than I previously thought. ;)

I knew about Yes before 90125 because my dad had TYA but it was really the release of 90125 that made me a fan. 


We're the main demographic vein on the PA, bruh.


Not much difference in our ages -- I keep my specific year secret for legal reasons ;) but I was born in the early 70s. Lots of us of the Too Young to Have Properly Prog Rock 'n' Rolled in its Classic Years: Too Old to Not Be Amazed by Vinyl Records Because We Grew Up With CDs. ;) Okay, some of these younger Prog kids will have seen records in museums, their grandparents collections, their parents collections, thrift stores and actually a host of other places. But we were a generation that was using vinyl regularly (maybe cassette tapes more in the 80s) BEFORE it made a comeback...

Legal reasons? Are you trying to pick up younger prog chicks and don't want them to think you are too old or something? LOL
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Logan, I had no idea you were around my age or actually probably about four or five years younger. I was 15 in 1985. There might be more of us "80s Yes fans" and prog fans than I previously thought. ;)

I knew about Yes before 90125 because my dad had TYA but it was really the release of 90125 that made me a fan. 


We're the main demographic vein on the PA, bruh.


Not much difference in our ages -- I keep my specific year secret for legal reasons ;) but I was born in the early 70s. Lots of us of the Too Young to Have Properly Prog Rock 'n' Rolled in its Classic Years: Too Old to Not Be Amazed by Vinyl Records Because We Grew Up With CDs. ;) Okay, some of these younger Prog kids will have seen records in museums, their grandparents collections, their parents collections, thrift stores and actually a host of other places. But we were a generation that was using vinyl regularly (maybe cassette tapes more in the 80s) BEFORE it made a comeback...


Legal reasons? Are you trying to pick up younger prog chicks and don't want them to think you are too old or something? LOL


I've been Cruising to the Edge where the number one biddy rule is "You must be at least 54 to ride this."
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In that case I would just make it. I was always tall so I always passed the rides when I was a kid that had the height rule. ;)

I will say though that there are probably more prog fans who discovered the genre in the 80s than in the 90s. There wasn't really much to discover in that decade. Dream Theater? PF's The Division Bell? Counterparts? ;)
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^ These rides are often about five foot four. I was regularly IDed until I was well into my 30s, which annoyed me, but it annoyed me more when they stopped IDing me and especially when they continued not to...

The 80s was also the right time for really getting into music for those of us who were teenagers then. I wasn't much exposed to 80s Prog in the 80s (well, other than some Rush like Moving Pictures), I was being exposed to the classic stuff.

I appreciate 80s music (mostly not Prog) far more now than I did in the 80s. Same with the 90s which has so much music that I love. (mostly not Prog).
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Logan, I had no idea you were around my age or actually probably about four or five years younger. I was 15 in 1985. There might be more of us "80s Yes fans" and prog fans than I previously thought. ;)

I knew about Yes before 90125 because my dad had TYA but it was really the release of 90125 that made me a fan. 


We're the main demographic vein on the PA, bruh.


I doubt it. Tongue


You think a bunch of geriatrics run the site?
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Logan, I had no idea you were around my age or actually probably about four or five years younger. I was 15 in 1985. There might be more of us "80s Yes fans" and prog fans than I previously thought. ;)

I knew about Yes before 90125 because my dad had TYA but it was really the release of 90125 that made me a fan. 


We're the main demographic vein on the PA, bruh.


I doubt it. Tongue


You think a bunch of geriatrics run the site?

I actually don't know who runs the site. However, there's probably more gen z gen y people on here than you realize. As for the geriatrics for a long time it was mostly older people showing up at the prog shows. If you go see Yes or go to Cruise to the Edge or some other old band shows it's mostly those who got into prog in the 70s. At least that has been my observation. Also, I remember going to see Ozric Tentacles and most everyone was either ten years older or ten years younger than me. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I will say though that there are probably more prog fans who discovered the genre in the 80s than in the 90s. There wasn't really much to discover in that decade. Dream Theater? PF's The Division Bell? Counterparts? ;)


I won't argue either way, because I got into all the legacy EM artists in the '80s: Tangerine Dream, Synergy, Vangelis, Kitaro, Jean-Michel Jarre, Kraftwerk, etc. I knew Goblin thanks to Suspiria, Tenebre and Dawn of the Dead. I also knew of PFM.

I found out about some bands via Goldmine and Keyboard, e.g. Mastermind (yes, really), North Star, Camel, Klaatu, and so on.

In one of the Guitar mags, an interview with Geddy Lee began with the fragment (don't overthink it, it was music journalism), "...Rush, father to bands such as Queensr˙che and Dream Theater..." That was the first time I'd heard of DT. I didn't hear the song "Afterlife" till '91, though.

In 1989, the title track of this album got airplay on FM over here, amazingly. That was the first time I heard of them.

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9902

More people online in the '90s than the '80s, though. Doug Larson sending out sampler tapes helped a lot.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ These rides are often about five foot four. I was regularly IDed until I was well into my 30s, which annoyed me, but it annoyed me more when they stopped IDing me and especially when they continued not to...

The 80s was also the right time for really getting into music for those of us who were teenagers then. I wasn't much exposed to 80s Prog in the 80s (well, other than some Rush like Moving Pictures), I was being exposed to the classic stuff.

I appreciate 80s music (mostly not Prog) far more now than I did in the 80s. Same with the 90s which has so much music that I love. (mostly not Prog).

Yep. I got into prog partly though an older cousin ( four years older than me). His favorite band was (and I'm guessing still might be) Genesis. In the 80s I knew about Asia and Marillion and that's about it for current stuff (not counting current albums by Yes, Genesis, PF, Rush, JT, MB, etc). I was aready big into what was played on rock radio (arena rock and classic rock) so that sort of primed me a little bit for prog. I kind of felt like an outsider at the time because no one at my school was into any prog bands except for Pink Floyd and maybe a little bit of Rush. Now I like 80s stuff and 90s stuff. In the 80s I was mostly into Led Zeppelin, Yes, PF, Rush, KC etc (the big name 70s bands). In the 90s I took about a five or six year break from prog while I was in college and was mostly into  alternative which I still like. 

As for the ID thing I was also carded until I was in my mid to late 30s. I remember being pissed off for being carded at age 35. Then after that, like you, I was pissed off I wasn't. Lol. At least I had the prog shows and festivals to go to to make me feel young. For the longest time I felt like one of the youngest people at these shows. Lol. So maybe prog isn't an "old fart" genre now but for a long time it sure felt that way (at least judging by the age group at most concerts and festivals). 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I actually don't know who runs the site. However, there's probably more gen z gen y people on here than you realize. As for the geriatrics for a long time it was mostly older people showing up at the prog shows. If you go see Yes or go to Cruise to the Edge or some other old band shows it's mostly those who got into prog in the 70s. At least that has been my observation. Also, I remember going to see Ozric Tentacles and most everyone was either ten years older or ten years younger than me.


Probably more millennials than Gen Z.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I will say though that there are probably more prog fans who discovered the genre in the 80s than in the 90s. There wasn't really much to discover in that decade. Dream Theater? PF's The Division Bell? Counterparts? ;)


I won't argue either way, because I got into all the legacy EM artists in the '80s: Tangerine Dream, Synergy, Vangelis, Kitaro, Jean-Michel Jarre, Kraftwerk, etc. I knew Goblin thanks to Suspiria, Tenebre and Dawn of the Dead. I also knew of PFM.

I found out about some bands via Goldmine and Keyboard, e.g. Mastermind (yes, really), North Star, Camel, Klaatu, and so on.

In one of the Guitar mags, an interview with Geddy Lee began with the fragment (don't overthink it, it was music journalism), "...Rush, father to bands such as Queensr˙che and Dream Theater..." That was the first time I'd heard of DT. I didn't hear the song "Afterlife" till '91, though.

In 1989, the title track of this album got airplay on FM over here, amazingly. That was the first time I heard of them.

https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=9902

More people online in the '90s than the '80s, though. Doug Larson sending out sampler tapes helped a lot.

In the late 80s I listened to a radio show called "the progressive music show" or something like that. I first heard of CTS because of that show. Soon after that I went to a local record store took the vinyl album to the counter and asked if they could order it for me on cd. I still have never heard much else by the band but at least it made me aware that current bands could still make good music like that (oh and one of the reviews for that particular album is by yours truly ;)). Them and a very obscure band from California called Episode who I found out about while attending a Yes convention in New Jersey in the summer of 1987 (everyone was greatly anticipating the release of BG including me).


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Them and a very obscure band from California called Episode who I found out about while attending a Yes convention in New Jersey in the summer of 1987 (everyone was greatly anticipating the release of BG including me).


For the time, they were unknown. They must've programmed many faxes to get the word out.
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And speaking of North Star, I did order their LP Triskelion and liked it, ATTWT Genesis warts and all.
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Bruford Levin Upper Extremities 5 stars
90125 3 stars
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Well it's the bland AOR of 90125 versus the more interesting pile of poo that is Rock n roll prophet. It's weirdly close but I'm not voting.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Well it's the bland AOR of 90125 versus the more interesting pile of poo that is Rock n roll prophet. It's weirdly close but I'm not voting.

I've never thought of 90125 as being bland AOR before, but maybe that's because I happen to like AOR. Smile
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

And speaking of North Star, I did order their LP Triskelion and liked it, ATTWT Genesis warts and all.

I know them. I have Triskeion and a later one and used to have a couple of cassette tapes. I'm not a fan of the lead singer though.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Them and a very obscure band from California called Episode who I found out about while attending a Yes convention in New Jersey in the summer of 1987 (everyone was greatly anticipating the release of BG including me).


For the time, they were unknown. They must've programmed many faxes to get the word out.

You don't know them? Much better than North Star. Unfortunately the only way you can listen to their music is to buy the cassette (or maybe vinyl) on ebay (how I got my current copy on cassette). I think Greg Walker still carries the vinyl album too. Into the Epicenter might be the text book definition of a buried treasure. They had a second one too and while it's still good the first one is a bit better and a total unsung classic imo.


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