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SteveG
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Oh, Simple Visions could have easily fit on this poll. Such a great song from such a mediocre album.
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M27Barney
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Ok. I've done farts longer than all those tracks...epics? Suppose to the popsters everything over three minutes is an epic boring prog dinosaur noodle fest....😎
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Prefer three minutes of euphoric well constructed music than 20 minutes of boredom.
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So that`s two of us then
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Edited by SteveG - July 16 2020 at 05:13 |
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HI,
I don't know that I think of one of my favorite bands as having "epic" songs, and they have too many albums that I love dearly. Just great music, but I'm not sure that DC can come up with something longer than his nice words and poems, that could be enlarged by the music as is the case in a couple of examples ... but they were always good and I wish they had better luck and a better chance ... DC and the group, deserve it for the fine amount of music right from the start. My only sad comment? That DC had to quit music to work in the development of the FM radio in England, and apparently got known really well for his proposals to add a station in various places. So he had an effect, in terms of adding something ... but none of that is reflected too well in the albums, although I have not done a listing side by side of dates for the albums and the rest of his life. For all the good he did on the radio thing, he did not push his own band, at least as far as his words are concerned in the book, and I think he should have done it a couple more times, but with the BBC and other folks with knives and guns in their had, I think he played it safe to not hurt any investors, Something like that, although my understanding of radio "history" in England is nothing compared to the one in America, that I was very close to!
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I don't claim to know anything of DC's radio adventures except that I do know he was relieved to leave the Strawbs for it 1978 and was successful at whatever his function was. I do know that the Strawbs were resurrected in the 80s to keep his friends like Brian Willoughby, Tony Hooper and Richard Hudson employed, so the band never had DC's undivided attention and it shows in the few albums that version of the group made.
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M27Barney
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Epic is used primarily to define the longer (chronologically defined) peices of music. I reckon the cutoff time for arbitrary purposes is 15+ minutes. Again, people could say, I think A is the best ergo A is EPIC....thus it just becomes another synonym for favorite....again every track a band does could be defined as EPIC....we have this argument ad nauseum.... Edited by M27Barney - July 16 2020 at 10:29 |
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Not really, as your definition only applies to long poems.
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M27Barney
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Ok. Then change the topic title. As none of these are poems obviously. You may as well apply the word elephantine to this set of tracks... |
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Very well, just keep your eye on the thread title and wait for it to change.
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Barney, Stop being a twit and a tw@t!! does it get more epic than this?? Edited by Sean Trane - July 16 2020 at 16:52 |
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M27Barney
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^ A few nice licks by R.C.Wakeman do not an epic make! Extend the hammond organ intro out by 10 mins and add mellotron and moog plus a five minute guitar solo and you may have your epic....otherwise MEH...
And cockney rebel's proper epic (live version) blows all these tracks out of the water... Edited by M27Barney - July 17 2020 at 02:49 |
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Hi, His book is not clear in a lot of things ... the ending of the band in 1978, seems to coincide with the chance to make some money back at where he came from in radio which he had been involved with even in the earlier days with STRAWBS, and he might have stopped because STRAWBS was not bringing in enough money ... and I think his bills were mounting for house, child, etc ... His book is a bit strange for me, because his divided attentions, seems to make a case that the band just did not cut it to make things easier for him, even if/when the music was excellent all around, which at least in Santa Barbara, all the albums from 1974 to when I left in 1982 ... were all played senseless by Guy Guden on his shows regularly ... but I have a feeling that the American sales is what hurt the most ... they probably did not generate numbers that helped, and were too close to breaking even or losing some money. I can't even decide how to do a review of the book, and I have read it twice.
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You refuse (on purpose, I suppose) to see that "epic" means more "heroic" than "lengthy" And
the grandeur/poetry (that is implied in an "epic") is really present in
the poignant text (the Orangists hanging the catholics on NI, while
claiming they're "loyal") |
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Autumn is just 1 vote ahead of Ghosts. I myself could not pick one over the other form this list so I'm impressed.
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The latest album has at least 3 songs that easily qualify as "epic" - "The Nails from the Hands of Christ", "When the Spirit Moves", and "The Ferryman's curse"
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right, Strawbs tended to the epic side of things during what is generally regarded as their peak period, but even the backsliding years had epics like "Beside the Rio Grande", "Burning for me" or "Words of Wisdom". Beginning with "The Broken Hearted Bride" in 2008, they returned to the epic ideal with force. BHB had 2 distinct epics ("A Call to Action" and "Through Aphrodite's Eyes"), "Dancing to the Devil's Beat" had one major one ("pro Patria Suite") and a smaller one ("When Silent Shadows Fall"), and the latest has 1-3 as we discussed. TBH (and I think you agree Steve), the title cut to "Ferryman's Curse" doesn't quite do it for me. Lyrically yes, and at times musically as well, but the meter and melody are just meh for me,. especially when compared to its prequel "The Vision of the Lady of the Lake". If that track could have lived up to its billing, it would be a 5 star album, but it costs the album a star and a bit for me unfortunately
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