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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:10
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Now with guitar modeling tools you are supposed to make it sound like a MARSSHALL JCM 2000 forexample or a FENDER BASSMAN and i am pretty sure you can get a decent sound but not even close to the original stuff

Don't be so sure ... these technologies are constantly improving. I bought the Line6 POD some years ago and it was clearly inferior to the "real thing". But since then a lot has changed. And my Vox ToneLab SE does a really good job at simulating the real amps - by cleverly using digital AND analog technologies.

BTW: If you have some background knowledge in guitar amps you'll know Vox as one of the classic amp manufacturers of the 60's/70's (in the beginning there were Fender, Vox and Marshall). They know something about amps and vintage sounds ...

Ah i like the POD XT and i think it has hundreds of different sounds wich is all very good but compared to even the reissues of the classic fender and marshall and even vox amps(wich i dont favour that much) i aint CLOSE to the sound that say a fender super reverb 65 reissue can delivier...even the vox pedalboard wich has a real tube can not recreate fully the sound of a real fender tube amp...but currently i cant afford a proper amp yet so i am quite happy with the POD XT...and the Line6 POD did not have any amp modeling software in it surely?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:11
Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

Myryad MP100 pre amp and MP240 power amp


Linn LP 12 with Sumiko Blue Point MC


Musical Fidelity XLP pre amp


Marantz CD 63 SE CD player


Admittedly my speakers (pair of old RTL TDL3s) aren't up to the job and my cabling needs an uprgrade.


And I do listen to this system when I reall have time to concentrate on music, but these opportunities are very few and far between and when I do crank it up 90% of the time it's to do justice to vinyl. For casual listening I get just as much enjoyment from the so-called low end crap in my office or on my cheap and cheerful sony noise cancelling phones and i-pod.


I love having a nice system for occasional use and can add the enjoyment of good reproduction to the enjoyment of the music but ultimately I just like listening to the music. The reproduction has to be of a certain standard but once it hits the level of a half decent car stereo I'm happy enough.


In fact it amazes me that people get so obsessed about the transaparency of a system. I've heard soome very high end so-called transparent systems featuring things like Nautilus speakers, Clearaudio refererence and some pretty esoteric amps and most of the time they just made my ears hurt. I want the music to sing not teach me science.


 


 



You haven't heard a full good system yet, cause if it has heart your ears, it just proves it was bad.
A big system without tubes in the highs is a joke.
Unfortunatly, it's what most people do in high end.

To have a good sytem, EVERY element has to be good.

On your system, only the turntable is good.
But without cancelling vibe support, moving coil, cables, filters and others, it just can't work.
Besides, i'm not surprised it's your favourite source, as it's the best (and only good element) of your system.

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I disagree, Oliver, I love my Myryads. They extremely musical amps that suit my taste very well. But this is where we never agree. Personally I think you have fallen into the trap of becoming more obsessed with machinery than music. My advice would be to throw all the junk you spent so much money on away and try to remember why you liked this music in the first place when you heard it on lousy equipment or even on the radio. Then you might understand where you've been going wrong

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:17
Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Now with guitar modeling tools you are supposed to make it sound like a MARSSHALL JCM 2000 forexample or a FENDER BASSMAN and i am pretty sure you can get a decent sound but not even close to the original stuff

Don't be so sure ... these technologies are constantly improving. I bought the Line6 POD some years ago and it was clearly inferior to the "real thing". But since then a lot has changed. And my Vox ToneLab SE does a really good job at simulating the real amps - by cleverly using digital AND analog technologies.

BTW: If you have some background knowledge in guitar amps you'll know Vox as one of the classic amp manufacturers of the 60's/70's (in the beginning there were Fender, Vox and Marshall). They know something about amps and vintage sounds ...

Ah i like the POD XT and i think it has hundreds of different sounds wich is all very good but compared to even the reissues of the classic fender and marshall and even vox amps(wich i dont favour that much) i aint CLOSE to the sound that say a fender super reverb 65 reissue can delivier...even the vox pedalboard wich has a real tube can not recreate fully the sound of a real fender tube amp...but currently i cant afford a proper amp yet so i am quite happy with the POD XT...and the Line6 POD did not have any amp modeling software in it surely?

Of course the POD had amp modelling - and speaker simulation (A.I.R.). It has been much refined in the POD 2.0 and the POD XT, but it was there right from the start.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:19
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Now with guitar modeling tools you are supposed to make it sound like a MARSSHALL JCM 2000 forexample or a FENDER BASSMAN and i am pretty sure you can get a decent sound but not even close to the original stuff

Don't be so sure ... these technologies are constantly improving. I bought the Line6 POD some years ago and it was clearly inferior to the "real thing". But since then a lot has changed. And my Vox ToneLab SE does a really good job at simulating the real amps - by cleverly using digital AND analog technologies.

BTW: If you have some background knowledge in guitar amps you'll know Vox as one of the classic amp manufacturers of the 60's/70's (in the beginning there were Fender, Vox and Marshall). They know something about amps and vintage sounds ...

Ah i like the POD XT and i think it has hundreds of different sounds wich is all very good but compared to even the reissues of the classic fender and marshall and even vox amps(wich i dont favour that much) i aint CLOSE to the sound that say a fender super reverb 65 reissue can delivier...even the vox pedalboard wich has a real tube can not recreate fully the sound of a real fender tube amp...but currently i cant afford a proper amp yet so i am quite happy with the POD XT...and the Line6 POD did not have any amp modeling software in it surely?

Of course the POD had amp modelling - and speaker simulation (A.I.R.). It has been much refined in the POD 2.0 and the POD XT, but it was there right from the start.

Ah i thought it was mainly a effect box like TC ELECTRONIC that you could record with

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:21
^ The difference between the original POD and the POD XT is just: more models, more effects, better sound quality, and better software and connectivity (Variax for example).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:24
Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

I disagree, Oliver, I love my Myryads. They extremely musical amps that suit my taste very well. But this is where we never agree. Personally I think you have fallen into the trap of becoming more obsessed with machinery than music. My advice would be to throw all the junk you spent so much money on away and try to remember why you liked this music in the first place when you heard it on lousy equipment or even on the radio. Then you might understand where you've been going wrong

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If it sounds that superior to him ... why not? Let us each enjoy music in our own way.

BTW: have a look at the previous page of the thread, I posted some pros/cons of Audiophile systems (from a wikipedia entry) ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2005 at 08:30

I admit Myriad is not that bad, quite neutral and equilibrate, but not very musical. It's not a bad solid state amp, but it's really poor compared to a good tube in the highs.
Music is the most important thing, and knows that i listen my system several hours a day, cause it transcends the music, makes it live, and that's the magic of hifi: rediscovering albums and songs, better than the first time you've heard it.
Only music and emotion matters.
It's the aim of a great system.

Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

I disagree, Oliver, I love my Myryads. They extremely musical amps that suit my taste very well. But this is where we never agree. Personally I think you have fallen into the trap of becoming more obsessed with machinery than music. My advice would be to throw all the junk you spent so much money on away and try to remember why you liked this music in the first place when you heard it on lousy equipment or even on the radio. Then you might understand where you've been going wrong


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