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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 10:04
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Exactly. People seem to forget that before being politicians, politicians are people, who have access to certain powers that, given to most "common people" would probably also lead to these ones abusing it a little. Picturing non-politicians as angels with true hearts and generous nature is even more ridiculous when one thinks that it is these people who vote for the "evil" ones.  


I think there's some selection bias which makes politicians more likely to behave like monsters that has nothing to do with power differential.

Positions of power always seem to attract those least suited for them.


that explains my desire to get into politics...sidetracked by more skeletons in my closet than any mortal man or potential politician could stand.  Elect me and I've have every goddamn GOP bigot and racist up against the wall motherf**ker LOL.  I am a tyrant at heart....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 10:06
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

^ and attorneys. It's always the attorneys.


and lawyers as well... starting with Ivan LOLLOLHeart
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 10:15
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^Exactly. People seem to forget that before being politicians, politicians are people, who have access to certain powers that, given to most "common people" would probably also lead to these ones abusing it a little. Picturing non-politicians as angels with true hearts and generous nature is even more ridiculous when one thinks that it is these people who vote for the "evil" ones.  


I think there's some selection bias which makes politicians more likely to behave like monsters that has nothing to do with power differential.

Positions of power always seem to attract those least suited for them.


that explains my desire to get into politics...sidetracked by more skeletons in my closet than any mortal man or potential politician could stand.  Elect me and I've have every goddamn GOP bigot and racist up against the wall motherf**ker LOL.  I am a tyrant at heart....

Now now, we can always start with reeducation camps.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 10:21
LOL pfff...and where is the fun in that....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 10:26
Trevor Noah for president
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 11:19
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Trevor Noah for president

Larry Wilmore for president Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 11:27
pfff

Micky and Terri for President!!

I'll line them up.. and she'll shoot them down.. then later that evening it would be an open bar with no closing time at the White House. All we would ask is that you bring your own smokes, babes and motorcycles to ride up the central staircase..




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 08 2016 at 13:12
I'm in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2016 at 07:54

"Voting is a political strategy. It’s civic participation. It’s about citizenship, not individualism. Participate or don’t, but don’t tell us sitting on the sidelines makes you a better person. Don’t tell us how serious you are, how rational, how moral, by your choosing 'none of the above.'"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2016 at 08:07
I don't remember saying I am a better person for not voting. Who are you to judge in the first place? Are you better than me because you vote? I think you and a handful of others will blab on about this. Nice start to the week.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2016 at 08:26
Not voting is just as much of a right as voting.
I've known people who did not vote because they did not like either candidate. They did not feel like voting for the lesser of two evils.
As far as people complaining even though they did not vote, that is their right as well.
Freedom of speech is not based on doing or not doing something.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 01:20
More I think about this...I just don't know.

We all know Trump has been a long time friend to the Clinton's and has donated tons to them. 
While Trump has painted himself in question marks one thing we know for sure, he hates spending money, and he always wants something for it....

Add to that the Clinton's famously pay off their donors, I don't know this whole Trump/Clinton thing feels weirder and weirder. 


Like, we already are hearing how ugly and nasty this election will be. I can see them flinging mud and fists, then behind stage share a laugh and shake hands. Maybe the convo goes like this:
"Oh Donny boy, remember when we encouraged you to run so you can cause some havoc and knock out Jeb and Marco and Christie?"
"Yeah Hill, whoever imagined I'd make it this far! Crazy idiots eh?"
"For sure"
"Hey, imagine if somehow I won this election"
"Well, not like it would matter anyway would it?"
*shares a chuckle, puts on Goldman Sachs jackets*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 01:33
Well, I will be fair to Trump in one regard, he is also giving a voice to the working class. Those that lean conservative rather than liberal, and certainly he's exploited some very disturbing things in many Americans, but he is giving a conservative voice to the working class, which is something the right abandoned in 1981. 

He's proven that someone running as a Republican can say "I am not going to touch the social safety net" and do very well. Someone can even basically ignore, or least greatly downplay, the religious stuff and free market fundamentalism (it's own religion) and again do very well. 


Now, he's a panderer and phony, he can't be believed on anything, but he's tapping a real sentiment. For years the GOP has won over the white working class vote by well....casual racism, social conservatism, "tough guy" policies but now Trump is using an economic angle. 
Much like how Sanders is a return to roots for the Democratic Party which has lost it's own way since the 90s and has won over white working class voters himself. 

I really do believe 2016 is proof the Reagan Revolution is coming to an end, from both left and right, with a re focus on the "core" of America



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 10:50
^The sad thing is, I believe, that said working class whose grievances are (unbelievably) voiced by billionaire Trump, needed something more than economical reasons to jump en masse for a specific candidate. Race, racism, and similar sentiments served as catalysts to actually create this "phenomenon". In the end, more than their difficult situation in life, I think race managed to put them all together. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 16:45
interesting chart I saw today. 




Along with middle class disappearing .. so apparently are the political moderates.
Makes sense..  some  have recognized we are and have been in the midst of a culture war of differing at times polar opposite views of what this country is and should stand for.  It seems the middle ground has become a harder place to stand.

I do think Clinton may be the last gasp of the moderate Democratic party.  Perhaps as much as Bush classic was many years ago for the GOP. Much like the right has been handcuffed by.. candidates will need to be further out on the fringes to appeal to the bases which are moving away from the center. See Sanders and his many many suppporters. See the thought process of Cruz and those on the far right that think their current losing streak is because they are nominated moderates when the party has shifted well the right. That appears to be coming into play on the Democratic side


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2016 at 19:25
Another conservative "Christian" who doesn't behave like a "Christian"  http://www.wect.com/story/31888456/tow-truck-owner-bernie-sanders
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 08:46
There is a formula somewhere in the universe that says that the more a person flaunts their "Christianity", the less "Christian"-like they're actually going to act. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 08:59
Uh oh. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 14:22
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Another conservative "Christian" who doesn't behave like a "Christian"  http://www.wect.com/story/31888456/tow-truck-owner-bernie-sanders


LOL

Nice...  I'll have to add that to my playbook.. on my next service call the next that has a vehicle I see with a Trump sticker in the drive way. Though the next will be the first.. god I love living in deeply blue areas... I'll knock on the door.. say hello... and then goodbye...and tell him I refuse to do work for him since they are propagating division hatred, bigotry, and all around stupidity...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2016 at 21:13
* sigh * what could have been

It could still make for an interesting election if Bernie convinced Elizabeth Warren to split the ticket and tests the waters to see how many populist votes they can poach from both Hillary and Drumpf.
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