SR V: To boldly go where no room has gone before

MovingPictures07 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: Alex, thanks for the Absent Lovers reminder, I bought it last weekend and liked it pretty much on the first listen today  No problem! Glad you liked it. Ah f**king hell...  I'd written a long story about hearing USA before Larks' Tongues in Aspic and how the studio songs still feel pretty lame compared to their live counterparts still all these years later, but then I managed to erase the whole thing. But yeah, now that I'll probably end up buying Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair pretty soon, I fear that the same thing might happen with Absent Lovers and those albums, if AL is so much better as I remember you saying. Surprisingly I much enjoyed the AL versions of Red and Larks II with the electronic drums and all  The studio albums are good too, but I just have to treat them separately. The Neal and Jack and Me DVD is even better than Absent Lovers. I absolutely love that lineup. I really respect their musicianship as individuals and as a unit, and their compositions are really clever, but so far the 80s Crimso hasn't really connected with me the way the earlier lineups. I miss the beauty they had earlier, there are pretty things like Matte Kudasai, but to me it's just a pretty little thing, it doesn't reach me emotionally. I think the earlier Crimso was more diverse in their feel and sound, but it may just be that I'm not familiar enough with the later era to really see all there is  Yet. That's funny you say that... Because I really like earlier Crimson, but my feelings are just the opposite of yours. When Belew comes into the fold, then that's when the immense amounts of emotion and creativity come into play for me. My favorite earlier album though is Larks, and while that is 5 stars, it still just isn't the same to later Crimson for me. One of my favorite Crimson albums is the ProjeKcts boxset. It's a shame that more people aren't made aware of that.

Keppa4v wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Keppa4v wrote: Alex, thanks for the Absent Lovers reminder, I bought it last weekend and liked it pretty much on the first listen today  No problem! Glad you liked it. Ah f**king hell...  I'd written a long story about hearing USA before Larks' Tongues in Aspic and how the studio songs still feel pretty lame compared to their live counterparts still all these years later, but then I managed to erase the whole thing. But yeah, now that I'll probably end up buying Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair pretty soon, I fear that the same thing might happen with Absent Lovers and those albums, if AL is so much better as I remember you saying. Surprisingly I much enjoyed the AL versions of Red and Larks II with the electronic drums and all  The studio albums are good too, but I just have to treat them separately. The Neal and Jack and Me DVD is even better than Absent Lovers. I absolutely love that lineup. I really respect their musicianship as individuals and as a unit, and their compositions are really clever, but so far the 80s Crimso hasn't really connected with me the way the earlier lineups. I miss the beauty they had earlier, there are pretty things like Matte Kudasai, but to me it's just a pretty little thing, it doesn't reach me emotionally. I think the earlier Crimso was more diverse in their feel and sound, but it may just be that I'm not familiar enough with the later era to really see all there is  Yet. That's funny you say that... Because I really like earlier Crimson, but my feelings are just the opposite of yours. When Belew comes into the fold, then that's when the immense amounts of emotion and creativity come into play for me. My favorite earlier album though is Larks, and while that is 5 stars, it still just isn't the same to later Crimson for me. One of my favorite Crimson albums is the ProjeKcts boxset. It's a shame that more people aren't made aware of that. That's how you recognize a great band; everyone has different favorites  Definitely. I'm massively biased towards the early Crimso for the simple reason that Red and In the Court were my two first prog albums ever and Starless is probably my all time favourite song. My first prog band and still there's stuff to find, I like that  That's completely understandable. Now it's bedtime, first I'll see what Miss Marple is up to with her Sleeping Murder, then it's zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Take care!

LinusW wrote: VdGG and Hammill. *sigh* Such overratednessism.

*mutters something about the fans appreciating uncompromising artistic vision... goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo*

Yeah, perhaps they're overrated by the fans, but I think it's the same sort of thing as the yes-we-do-love-Rush-just-like-that endemic. Bands that don't compromise their vision much, are confident and have an idea of what they want to do, I think, tend to pick up very fiercely supportive followers, in lesser or greater numbers.

I shall make In Camera the first solo Hammill I obtain, then.

TGM: Orb wrote: goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo*

I don't have that yet, but still: 

TGM: Orb wrote: LinusW wrote: VdGG and Hammill. *sigh* Such overratednessism. *mutters something about the fans appreciating uncompromising artistic vision... goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo* Yeah, perhaps they're overrated by the fans, but I think it's the same sort of thing as the yes-we-do-love-Rush-just-like-that endemic. Bands that don't compromise their vision much, are confident and have an idea of what they want to do, I think, tend to pick up very fiercely supportive followers, in lesser or greater numbers.

Probably, yes.
I just said it to be spiteful anyway 

Padraic wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo* I don't have that yet, but still:

It's a good album.

Padraic wrote: I shall make In Camera the first solo Hammill I obtain, then. TGM: Orb wrote: goes and puts Playing The Fool in the Shred Room stereo* I don't have that yet, but still:

Is that a Gentle Giant reference or something else? 

I'm quite neutral when it comes to VdGG. To be honest, I'd probably give most of their albums 3 stars. But it's impossible to review them, since I'm sometimes in the mood to be really immersed by the music on Still Life and Godbluff.

Lexy wrote: Alright. I just may check that out if I get curious.

I think it'd maybe be the one you'd like most of his solo recordings, FWIW. Loops & Reels (aka. the freaky electronic sh*t), maybe, is completely unrelated to the others, but if you don't like IC, I wouldn't bother with any of his other primetime albums (know the singer-songwriter stuff isn't up your alley, anyway, and the progressive ones are at least similar to IC).

Lus wrote: I just said it to be spiteful anyway

For the most part, I'd agree with that. I think Rush and VDGG are similar in that regard that they're really persistent and masters of what they do. But what they do isn't to everyone's taste or understanding.

I'd drink to that but, at my end, it's like Robert's house after 7.30. All the beer's gone.

Ricky wrote: I don't have that yet, but still:

It's good. First listen only so far.

TGM: Orb wrote: I'd drink to that but, at my end, it's like Robert's house after 7.30. All the beer's gone.