How to define and classify "Progressive Rock"? |
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Thanks, Paul, but I surely need a brake now. Edited by David_D - June 01 2022 at 17:00 |
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Even if the "retro Prog" or other modern Prog is not so innovative or doesn't have the same qualities as Progressive Rock from the 70's, they're still the continuation of the genre, and on that basis in my opinion should be considered as "Progressive Rock".
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Is this prog?
Hmmm..... for Progarchives, Black Midi is a Rio/AvantProg band, their music would be "an experimental post-punk avant jazz math rock combination with surprising virtuosity" nothing else? pS I see now there is a thread on Black Midi!
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Edited by David_D - July 28 2022 at 02:45 |
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I can tell that by now I'm in doubt about what to find being the best use of the term Progressive Rock, and I may become in favour of the double way you use, but which would be though: 1. A less including one, much similar to RYM's, which I guess is best corresponding to the historically and today mostly used one, so it can be called "Progressive Rock proper". 2. A more including one, and the way I've suggested to define Progressive Rock in my article here, which uses the term Prog as a meta-genre. |
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I'm late in this game and admit not reading all 16 pages (yet). And David, the following is an attempt at constructive criticism of your blog.
Your literature review ('Some definition made/used in the past') would benefit from referencing 'definitions' found on the major online prog websites such as PA. BTW, I think you should mention Snider and Couture here rather than later. Are you concerned with the overall definition of Progressive Rock and/or also definitions of the subgenres of Prog? If I'm not mistaking, the former is what you refer to as a broad definition and the latter as narrow definition(s)? Hence, the sum of the subgenres (narrow definition) constitutes the broadest definition, Prog. As ‘narrow’ and ‘broad’ definitions seem essential to your analysis, you should clarify these terms in more detail. It’s not clear to me what you mean by these terms. What’s your problem statement? What’s wrong with existing ‘definitions’? for instance, what’s wrong with PA’s definition? Why do you bother writing a blog on this subject?! Why should I care to read your blog? Your approach is not theoretical - I do not see any equations - but phenomenological it appears. (In the following, I get a bit theoretical - as opposed to your study IMO - sorry, but I hope it can be inspirational to you or others…) An equation could be a ‘property-ingredient’ relationship where the property could be neo-prog and ingredients (variables) could be instrumentation or musical style (e.g. classical) cf. your statement ‘Some parts of these bands have certain similarities and a part play even very similar kind of music. These similarities can be described’. Obviously the relations would be qualitative rather than quantitative. Limits can be posed on these relationships either on the properties (e.g. neo-prog is one limitation) or the ingredients (e.g. brass instruments). Another limit could be on a band’s/artist’s song, album or entire album catalogue basis. These limits provide broader or narrower genre ‘definitions’. I actually did the above ‘scientific approach’ in a PA blog of my own (with affinities to yours) many years ago. As you can see, the properties of prog depends on its variables which depend on technological and societal changes and therefore varies over time - progressive rock! Hence, obviously, Progressive Rock broadens over time and the ‘definition’/’equation’ should account for this cf. your term ‘broader definition’. I think you summarize/draw conclusions based on your ‘analysis’ without making it clear to the reader how you end up with your conclusion. David, your blog is much appreciated, thanks. |
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Or he could have been there because his car tyres were Under Pressure.
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Insanity laughs, under pressure David’ breaking Can't we give his blog one more chance? Why can't we give prog that one more chance? Why can't we give prog, give prog, give prog? Give prog, give prog, give prog, give prog? 'Cause prog's such an old fashioned turd And prog dares you to Care for the music on the Edge of the night And prog dares you To change our way of Thinking about it… |
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Thank you very much for this input of yours, Earlyprog, and I'll think about how to relate to it. Edited by David_D - August 09 2022 at 16:17 |
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thanks, Paul |
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^Too generic in my opinion, David. Only option ruled out is the obvious status quo.
I would have hoped for a more informative conclusion/status after several months and pages into your blog. Seems that you are back to scratch.
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But Nick, I'm curious about why you want to define Progressive Rock as including as you do.
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Well, I don't think about it that way, and anyway, that's how I have moved, and it's a longer story to explain why. |
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No worries, that's ok. Perhaps too overwhelming even after 3 days
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I'm afraid, it is. |
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