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Points: 46833 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2016 at 16:50
Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

An Obituary for Marco Rubio:

Well, many didn't, but I saw this coming from a mile away. You were the GOP establishment's champion, a politician who rode the tides of spilt tea and have the opinions to go with it but still willing to kowtow to the generally saner big boys. And your ethnicity was a nice plus. But you weren't ready. Your whole political career has been one long fall up, until tonight when gravity remembered you existed. One of the laziest voting records in Congress, and, my God, you were sloppier than a Half Japanese album. You didn't know what to make of the campaign trail - forget hairpiece, you probably would've drowned in a fair fight. First there was that night the needle started skipping in New Hampshire, then there were the flustered and limp attempts to parrot and return fire against the combover. You've always been in over your head, and its finally caught up to you.

Goodnight, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy post at some conservative think tank.

hah... I don't suppose you lifted that from someone else.  One of the best political eulogies I ever remember reading actually. LOL
your parents better be proud of you man.  If you were my son... I'd damn sure be. Clap

I love your way with words man. Thumbs Up  Let me guess... plan on being a writer some day?

Thanks, Mick. I'm more than open to becoming a writer of some sort. I've been focusing on musical pursuits for a while now - I'm studying audio engineering in all its forms, and I've been kicking around various ideas for tracks and albums - but I'm up for whatever as long as it's creative. I'm not going to let myself go to waste, that's for sure.

I get my kicks out of writing myself. Someday I've love to finish the book I started many years ago but I don't see that happening.  These days I mainly amuse myself with creative writing for RPG stuff and AAR's for board games.

And yes, my parents are very proud of me.

Clap You do strike me as one of those precocious type.  The type parents absolutely adore! As I've told you.. first couple rounds on me when we do finally get to meet.  You need to get yourself down to Progday and I'll show how hard Leftists can party! LOLBeer

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


It will interesting to see how Republican party emerges from this, and if what form it does. It would almost be worth the cost of admission to see Trump win to see him utterly destroy the Republican Party as we have known it.

At this point, Trump causing damage to the GOP is inevitable. Either he leads them on a triumphant return to '64 as their nominee, or he is shuttered out of Cleveland and embarks on a base splitting independent run. To what extent he will damage the party remains to be seen. Pass that popcorn.


Indeed... the best part is what the GOP might do to itself.  Granted they are bunch of halfwits and idiots but do still retain some base political cunning.  Now of course the talk is all about a potential 'contested convention' The GOP would comiitt political suicide upon itself it is tried (or especially) succeeded in railroading Trump.  What are they going to do.. give it to Kasich???  It would be popcorn and J.D time here as we watched the GOP devour itself in infighting and likely a 3rd party exodus.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I loathe Trump and Clinton (both not good people), but given the execrable choice, I would still choose Clinton. I think the Nazi comparisons with Trump and his supporters are not far-fetched. Of course Trump, as I never thought Jean was claiming, is not a Nazi (his son-in-law is Jewish and Ivanka converted to Judaism, and Eric Trump married a Jew). Trump has expressed his admiration for dictators and strong-arm tactics, and is acting as a demagogue in his provoking/ agitating people, stirring up the worst, and appealing to people's prejudices.

I so wish Bernie Sanders was doing better, would also be best for Canada in that he, I think, has the most in common with Justin Trudeau. I could understand concerns form Americans that Sanders would not be tough enough. Of course tough gut Trump thinks he's a wimp. I'd choose the reasonable, gentle man over the vitriolic bully.

I of course find the "tough guy Trump" thing kinda insane... He's come off, to me, as a spoiled brat this whole campaign. Making all these demands and if xyz don't capitulate well I just wont participate!! The debates are too long, I don't like the format, etc etc   He's also the biggest phony there is in politics, the amount of things he's flip flopped on/contradicted himself on is astounding. 

I agree, with the first part. I wouldn't say nazi, but Trump has been, in my mind, running a very fascist like campaign:
Policies: Economically centrist and pro labor/working class, populist   but anti immigrant, hating on a group (Muslims of course). Socially conservative, economically centrist extreme nationalist populism, it's straight out of the 1930s

Also how he's so vague and gives no real details, just "I'll do this!" Very authoritarian. And how he says everything to everyone, always backtracking to appease everyone but yells alot about making the country great..everything about feels like watching a documentary on the rise of fascism. 


I'm impressed with how well Sanders has done given what he started with and who he was up against. He was on a realistic though difficult path until the 15th, shame it didn't work out but it bodes well for the progressive movement going forward, and hopefully helping the break the political duopoly 


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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I loathe Trump and Clinton (both not good people), but given the execrable choice, I would still choose Clinton. I think the Nazi comparisons with Trump and his supporters are not far-fetched. Of course Trump, as I never thought Jean was claiming, is not a Nazi (his son-in-law is Jewish and Ivanka converted to Judaism, and Eric Trump married a Jew). Trump has expressed his admiration for dictators and strong-arm tactics, and is acting as a demagogue in his provoking/ agitating people, stirring up the worst, and appealing to people's prejudices.

I so wish Bernie Sanders was doing better, would also be best for Canada in that he, I think, has the most in common with Justin Trudeau. I could understand concerns form Americans that Sanders would not be tough enough. Of course tough gut Trump thinks he's a wimp. I'd choose the reasonable, gentle man over the vitriolic bully.


I of course find the "tough guy Trump" thing kinda insane... He's come off, to me, as a spoiled brat this whole campaign. Making all these demands and if xyz don't capitulate well I just wont participate!! The debates are too long, I don't like the format, etc etc   He's also the biggest phony there is in politics, the amount of things he's flip flopped on/contradicted himself on is astounding.

I agree, with the first part. I wouldn't say nazi, but Trump has been, in my mind, running a very fascist like campaign:

Policies: Economically centrist and pro labor/working class, populist   but anti immigrant, hating on a group (Muslims of course). Socially conservative, economically centrist extreme nationalist populism, it's straight out of the 1930s

Also how he's so vague and gives no real details, just "I'll do this!" Very authoritarian. And how he says everything to everyone, always backtracking to appease everyone but yells alot about making the country great..everything about feels like watching a documentary on the rise of fascism. 

I'm impressed with how well Sanders has done given what he started with and who he was up against. He was on a realistic though difficult path until the 15th, shame it didn't work out but it bodes well for the progressive movement going forward, and hopefully helping the break the political duopoly


Very good post. And the Fascist dictator he most reminds me of is Benito "Il Stronzo" Mussolini.

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I was hoping for a brokered convention and it looks like I'll get one. Hilarious watching the Republicans self-destruct. Of course self-destruction is what they've been about for quite awhile, like not raising the debt ceiling and flirting with another government shut down. I hope they split up. It never made any sense for libertarians and cultural conservatives to be in the same party anyway, and always allowed them a free pass for some reason on blatant contradictions in their rhetoric. I suspect, by the way, that Cruz might be worse than Trump. It doesn't matter, though, because no Republican is going to exceed what Romney did in the last general election.
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Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

I suspect, by the way, that Cruz might be worse than Trump.


I think your suspicions are 100% on man... Cruz is a f**king lunatic and so far to the right of Trump that even a 'socialist' candidate like Sanders would likely smoke him in a general election.
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^ Cruz might as well be a roving evangelist, quietly winking at his palefaced, God-fearing followers to "do the right thing" .


 
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What happened, how did politics get so funny. Americans sure can take a joke. 
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The saddest thing is while I never exactly found what's going on very funny or entertaining, many do. Part of Trump's success, at least in his amazing teflon ability, is celeb worship. Just like how so many Americans worship celebrities, hanging on their every word and love em, good or bad. Trump has applied to a Presidential campaign.  
Also milks the media like a cow, not only does he have them wrapped around his finger, has basically been his campaign. Barely has to spend any of his precious money on ads or campaigning, because the news does it for him. 

Hate the guy or not, he has been damn brilliant in how calculating and twistedly efficient he's been in all this
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

What happened, how did politics get so funny. Americans sure can take a joke. 


Since when has it not been.   Politics is the ultimate sport. It is like an NHL playoff game.. with two opposing 7' 400 pound goalies with the teams swatting a beachball around the rink. There is no winner..no end there is only  non stop action with players being sent to the sin bin every couple of minutes.

As far as the joke.  It isn't as much taking one as being the joke itself.  I have the benefit of getting the first hand perspective of someone foreign to this country and our culture.  This place is mess of contradictions and outright lunacy. We love it for it is what we know.. but from the outside looking in... we are frickin nuts as a society.  Some, our right wing friends, crazier than others of course. LOLThumbs Up
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Don't know if this's already been posted here but a good video that sums up Trump's electioneering tactics:
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Another member of the "family values" party caught having an affair.  http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/robert-bentley-alabama-governor-denies-affair-recordings/index.html.  But apparently he didn't inhale???  It is wrong on either side of the aisle, but it just seems more wrong when the party that supposes to promote family values get caught with their pants down.  Then again, given their idol Reagan was a divorcee, and their current front runner has been married 3 times I guess it could just be a matter of do what I say not what I do.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Violence merely increases the opportunities for demagogues to flourish. I would have thought that obvious to anyone with even a passing interest in politics.


Exactly.  


Smile I would have thought it quite obvious to anyone with a passing interest in American politics, and with our long history of racism and institutional discrimination, that violence is not necessary for demagogues to flourish.




Micky, I said that violence increases the opportunities for demagogues to flourish, not that it was a necessary condition or state of existence.

Every democracy has had its loonies and demagogues, throughout history. They tend to do well, though, when people feel put on, disadvantaged, or "victims", and especially when they can give out their message in a climate of fear and violence.

The headlines around the world were not "Trump causes riots", they, were, by and large, "protesters force Trump to quit rally". There is a very subtle difference between the two. The former is Trump's fault. The latter provides his supporters with even more reason to feel put upon, and, of course, justifies entirely their use of force as a countermeasure.

Perhaps I should stress here, for the avoidance of all doubt, that this spineless and naive Limey does not want to be associated with any such violence, from either side. It will not end well, believe me.

Totally agree with you, man. I fear for our future........
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oh yeah.. stay tuned. I'm jumping on the bandwagon as well. Everyone else on the internet and social media is picking theirs!

Since we have as much chance of getting the GOP nomination as Cruz at his point. I will be announcing my desperation Vice Presidential pick live at 8pm EST tonight.

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I'll have to admit... I'll miss ya Ted. Priceless... only with you as the punch line is Trump able to make me laugh out loud.

“Today’s ridiculous outburst only proves what I have been saying for a long time, that Ted Cruz does not have the temperament to be President of the United States."

thank god for the GOP primaries.... better than any reality show or Sit-Com... shame it will have to end.

then again..  Hillary v. Trump... oh that is going to be so good... 


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I do have to say.. one benefit other than pure comedy and entertainment  to having this extended bitterly contested GOP primary season. I did learn a lot more about Indiana this week than I ever knew.

Perhaps like Cruz did.. I thought they were just a bunch of yokkels and idiots more concerned with who is pissing in whichever restroom than the serious issues that affect us all.

Still.. it isn't like they have much of a choice. I do feel sorry for my right leaning friends and fellow Americans.. hole in the head or castration. Which to choose. Oh that is easy... castration.... the messier the better. Trump.  Cruz is just a lunatic.. Trump is a trainwreck and oh how we love watching them...

nice article.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/how-ted-cruz-got-indiana-wrong-213866
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh yeah.. stay tuned. I'm jumping on the bandwagon as well. Everyone else on the internet and social media is picking theirs!

Since we have as much chance of getting the GOP nomination as Cruz at his point. I will be announcing my desperation Vice Presidential pick live at 8pm EST tonight.

 
Pick me, oh, pick me!
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like I would have wanted to pick anyone else... HeartLOL

Oh we'd be the perfect political pair... I'd let you do the hard work...all that monotonous policy stuff. You are the smart one...  I'd do my part and usher in Camelot v.2 to the White House.. making Kennedy.. and Clinton look tame ... after our 4 years (doubt there would be a 2nd term hahah) the White House would forever be known as Playboy Mansion East.  My first day there....I'd ride a Harley down the hallway into the Lincoln Bedroom.

always been a dream of mine..

as far as Raff.. sorry darling...  I'd have to leave you here for the next 4 years. Only US citizens allowed LOLLOLHeart
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She can be First Lady without being native-born.  And she'd be a whole lot classier than some of past FL's.  Present one and HRC excluded, of course.
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I have to say, I'm a bit shocked by this swift end to Cruz's campaign. He's been shrewd in the delegate game, had some great grassroots, I pegged him as someone who could deal the death of a thousand cuts to Trump.

Certainly he's too inflexible in his nutty beliefs to score well enough in places like Indiana, Pennsylvania, etc., but what I've also seen is how he suddenly had no grassroots in Penn, even though its primary style favoured his delegate strategy. Meanwhile, for the first time Trump brought out the street level big guns.

Cruz must've shot himself in both feet in recent weeks. Especially at crunch time, that's the kiss of death.
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