The most intriguing conspiracy theory

That's what I meant.

They're not conspiracies if they're true.

But I still ask Henry whether he believes any of these conspiracies have any slight truth in them or is he living in his own mystery world where he thinks everything he sees on television and reads on the Internet is the truth?

Erm... murder of 3000 people?

Some claim none were killed at all.  I'm not agreeing with that but I'm just saying what some are saying.  I don't think the death toll is officially 3000 though.

The actual logistics would be much smaller than you believe.  Maybe still quite unbelievable, yes but not impossible.

A crash of a 'plane nobody really seemed to witness crash.  No real wreckage to speak of?
A really grainy and terrible car park CCTV footage of something that doesn't look anything like a large passenger jet, hitting the Pentagon?  Oh and that CCTV footage also has frames missing.
Lots of completely contradictory witness reports of the 'plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon?
No other released CCTV footage has been shown.  Why?

People did witness something but it's not what has been reported.  So they wouldn't have to have been paid anything.

That's not even mentioning the twin towers.

That's because it was never there in the first place. 

James wrote: Erm... murder of 3000 people? Some claim none were killed at all.  I'm not agreeing with that but I'm just saying what some are saying.  I don't think the death toll is officially 3000 though. The actual logistics would be much smaller than you believe.  Maybe still quite unbelievable, yes but not impossible. A crash of a 'plane nobody really seemed to witness crash.  No real wreckage to speak of? A really grainy and terrible car park CCTV footage of something that doesn't look anything like a large passenger jet, hitting the Pentagon?  Oh and that CCTV footage also has frames missing. Lots of completely contradictory witness reports of the 'plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon? No other released CCTV footage has been shown.  Why? People did witness something but it's not what has been reported.  So they wouldn't have to have been paid anything. That's not even mentioning the twin towers.

 

Edited by manofmystery - November 20 2011 at 10:43

manofmystery wrote: James wrote: Erm... murder of 3000 people? Some claim none were killed at all.  I'm not agreeing with that but I'm just saying what some are saying.  I don't think the death toll is officially 3000 though. The actual logistics would be much smaller than you believe.  Maybe still quite unbelievable, yes but not impossible. A crash of a 'plane nobody really seemed to witness crash.  No real wreckage to speak of? A really grainy and terrible car park CCTV footage of something that doesn't look anything like a large passenger jet, hitting the Pentagon?  Oh and that CCTV footage also has frames missing. Lots of completely contradictory witness reports of the 'plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon? No other released CCTV footage has been shown.  Why? People did witness something but it's not what has been reported.  So they wouldn't have to have been paid anything. That's not even mentioning the twin towers.     You don't need to mention the towers when you so thoroughly expose a slobbering ignorance, based on some attention whore college kids fictional film.   None were killed?  That expands to the conspiracy to every single victims family.  Either that or the government took its time finding thousands of people who wish to completely drop off the map and then gave them each completely new identities.  Of course, none of these undead people would ever come forward to expose this.   No wreckage?  The myth might be the single most retarded one from the Loose Change believers.  The kid just edited out any image of plane debris and viewers were too lazy to fact check him.  These images surely don't show plane pieces: that's not a wheel these certainly aren't bits of the fuselage with parts of the GODDAMNED LOGO still visible   I could go on and on but I shouldn't waste my time.  You sicken me.

If none were killed (which I'm not saying I believe by the way, if you'd actually read what I said, instead of assuming), then there wouldn't be any victims families.  The government could have made up identities and not even involved real people.  There's software easily available that will create faces and such like and photoshop is easily used too.

Loose Change is not the video I follow, by the way.  I've seen it.  It doesn't prove anything either way.  Bits of it could be true.  Bits of it could be false.  All of it could be false.

That bottom photo is in Loose Change by the way.  Sorry to be pedantic.  I don't think you've actually watched it.

And it proves nothing.  One guy holding a small bit of metal with a bit of logo on.  Another small part at the back.

How does a 'plane of the size reported make a hole that doesn't fit the size of the 'plane?  Even the angle in which the 'plane came in would have been almost impossible for anyone to do.

The damage caused was quite minimal.  Very little wreckage has been photographed from the Pentagon crash.  If the damage was that minimal, then how come there's so little debris?

That top photo is also looking like it's from the Pentagon crash.  It doesn't really show much, does it?  Where's the Shanksville debris by the way?  That was the crash I was referring to above, more so than the Pentagon one.


Edited by James - November 20 2011 at 11:31

Have you looked into it James? You seem to have a poor understanding of material deformation in high speed collisions. The plane's impact markers aren't out of the ordinary. WTC 7 is the only sketchy part of the whole event to me. 

Leave him be, Equality.  He's not worth the frustration.  He's way too far gone to be brought back to reality.

I've not gone anywhere, mom.  I'm perfectly sane.  I did just say I'm open minded.  Prove to me the official story is true and I'll happily change my opinion. 

But you're supporting of Ron Paul says it all, really.

Pat, I'm curious as to your thoughts on WTC7 as you say you have your doubts?

James wrote: Henry, you may rage at me but I'm open minded.  I'm not one of those crazy guys who says that a conspiracy is absolutely true.  I've just been reading a lot about it and there's so many holes in the 9/11 official story that something dodgy happened.One thing I am convinced about is that there were explosives in the both of the towers, as well as WTC7.The no-plane thing is very questionable.  The Vicsim thing is too.  There's so many terrible ideas out there.Many people who lost family in 9/11 though are asking questions.  They don't agree with the official story.  The Truth movement isn't tiny.In fact, I'd say the Truth movement is far larger than the Moon Landing truth movement.

One of the main drivers behind the 9/11 conspiracy theory is the idea that the establishment had motive. Much of this comes from the statement in the 'Project for a new American century' document, that says the US should assert its military around the world, toppling such regimes as those in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iran, North Korea. It says that the American public will not support such a program 'absent some catalysing event, like a new Pearl Harbour'

I think the PNAC published its agenda in the late 90's.

I've seen all the loose change films, and many of the de-bunking attempts too, and I have to say that if you watch Loose Change, assuming that it was all a big conspiracy then the film will easily convince you. That's why it's important to get information from all sides. Loose Change was the work of a well intentioned but very angry, and I would suggest, rather impressionable young man. Still, it's interesting.

9/11 myths, imo: It wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagon. There were hundreds of eye witnesses who saw it. It's difficult to miss a boeing 767, flying at 300mph 100ft above you. It would be difficult to mistake a passenger jet for a cruise missile.

The hi-jackers were not on any passenger lists. They were.

There was a lot of stock market 'short selling' on the airline stocks the day before. Yes, there was, but this kind of activity was not uncommon.

Larry Silverstein (owner of the WTC lease) faced a $1B bill by the port Authority, to remove asbestos from the twin towers. It is said that he was involved in the conspiracy to avoid the crippling bill, and claim on the significant insurence, which was far in excess of what he paid for the lease (in the region of $400,000,000. I can't prove this wasn't the case, but it sounds like bollocks to me.

There are unanswered questions of course, but I'm not going into them here. It's too much of an emotive issue, and ultimately people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of evidence either way. Some beliefs are evidence based, and some come from a gut feeling. When it comes to CT's, those who believe they have any credibility, have their belief based in gut feeling. Those who deny their credibility, require what they regard as 'proof'of the conspiracy before they entertain it. The whole point of conspiracies are that they are covert, and as such are deniable. So, that's stalemate.

Best to just get on with your life, and hope to God that the people who run the show, who we mostly are happy to acknowledge as crooks and liars on a daily basis, would not stoop so low as to kill their own to further their own agendas.