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Points: 20616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2020 at 04:15
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

It looks to me as if Trump is going to switch from economic savior to fearless leader guiding his people safely through the plague for the election. Talk about lucky break.
Fearless leader? Lucky break?  A lot more people will get infected and more will die before election time, unfortunately. This is only the beginning.

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^^^ Yeah but it will be mostly the poor and the elderly who die, and republicans don't care much about either demographic. The damage to Wall St will be seen to be more of a voting criterion IMO.
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

^^^ Yeah but it will be mostly the poor and the elderly who die, and republicans don't care much about either demographic. The damage to Wall St will be seen to be more of a voting criterion IMO.
The Republican party doesn't care about the poor or the elderly (except the rich elderly...) but it does rely on their votes.

Meanwhile Trump continues to flounder, the stock market is in the toilet and the US economy will be in lousy shape come November. Many many people will lose their jobs as businesses go under or cut back drastically. Rightly or wrongly the government of the day tends to get the blame when the economy tanks.

Don't get me wrong, all this is horrible. But I seriously doubt it is anything but highly damaging to Trump's electoral prospects, which to me is a rare positive in this horrorshow.




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Don't worry. Trump says the stock market will rebound and come back stronger than ever. (In 2050.)
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I saw some hares jumping about in the high street just now. I think they dig the calm of the day
Makes me think of Watership Down or the Abimald og Farthing Wood
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I went to our local Sainsburys at lunchtime, I would guess it was two thirds empty - very little fruit or vegetables, hardly any meat or frozen food. I'm going to stock up on whisky and stay p*ssed till it's all over.
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In the US people are starting to panic buy guns in response to the virus.

Now, as a spectator sport, this sounds like fun.
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I went to our local Sainsburys at lunchtime, I would guess it was two thirds empty - very little fruit or vegetables, hardly any meat or frozen food. I'm going to stock up on whisky and stay p*ssed till it's all over.

 
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Well I’m now out of work because of this.

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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Well I’m now out of work because of this.
Sorry to hear it man. Good luck.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Well I’m now out of work because of this.
That sucks. I'm very sorry to hear that. What was your occupation?
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Well I’m now out of work because of this.

Extremely sorry to hear this. Our best wishes to you. As Steve asked, what do you do? Can you find something else fairly quickly?
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I work at a gym, and my state has closed every gym. As of now the earliest we’d be reopening is April 7th but I’m doubtful about that date. I might end up selling some of my records to make a little extra money in the meantime.
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Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

In the US people are starting to panic buy guns in response to the virus.

Now, as a spectator sport, this sounds like fun.
Hell yeah, its time to round up a posse and shoot that damn virus! Never mess with my sports TV!
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

S.F. on required stay-at-home starting midnight tonight thru April 7.   Grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, banks, and services will stay open.  

No fun.
This is seriously ugly.......We need a vaccine.

Actually things are fine today, people seem in good spirits, markets are open limited to thirty or so people at a time, kind of enjoying the down time.
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"This is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic," Trump said at a press conference today with his coronavirus task force. 


Wow. That is quite a bold-faced f*cking LIE coming from someone who less than a month ago referred to COVID-19 as a "new hoax ."


Why, I remember back in the "good old days" of less than 2 weeks ago when Trump tweeted on 03/09/20:

'The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. Surgeon General, “The risk is low to the average American.”'


And then back in ancient times of the week before that, Trump said on March 6 that the crisis is "an unforeseen problem" that "came out of nowhere." And then on March 11 he reiterated, "We're having to fix a problem that, four weeks ago, nobody ever thought would be a problem." And on March 14, he repeated the previous reiteration, "It's something that nobody expected."


He uttered these distorted lunacies -- available for your perusal, whether on video or in Tweets -- he said them. Directly. No fake news. Trump is either lying or he is in advanced stages of dementia. The dude is sundowning. He has no grip on reality. And whether through dementia, selfish narcissistic self-preservation or sheer incompetence, he continues to put Americans in danger. And yet his loopy lemmings still blindly bleat as they leap off the cliff after him.


President Trump on Tuesday said that he realized that the coronavirus outbreak was a pandemic 

before the World Health Organization (WHO) labeled it as such last week.




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Of course he is delusional with a massive dose of arrogance. When asked to rate his response to the coronavirus, he gave, without hesitation, himself 10 out of 10.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

S.F. on required stay-at-home starting midnight tonight thru April 7.   Grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, banks, and services will stay open.  

No fun.
This is seriously ugly.......We need a vaccine.

Actually things are fine today, people seem in good spirits, markets are open limited to thirty or so people at a time, kind of enjoying the down time.



Yep, SF was a mighty nice place to be today. Mellow like it used to be before the tech craze. Still limited selections on store shelves but at least they are open. Some people were convinced this is turning into a martial law scenario but it's not like that at all. We are allowed to go out to parks for recreation and just be mindful of keeping distance from others. I think the whole point was to keep large numbers of people from breathing recirculated air indoors. Whatever the case, i do hope it works because many are taking a big financial hit because of this.

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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:


I went to our local Sainsburys at lunchtime, I would guess it was two thirds empty - very little fruit or vegetables, hardly any meat or frozen food. I'm going to stock up on whisky and stay p*ssed till it's all over.

 
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Regarding the t.p. hoarding. Trying to get a handle on it, I came to this conclusion.

Americans do give a sh*t.

But only about themselves.
Perhaps finding the happy medium is harder than we know.
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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Boris Johnson's politics is criminal

(This is an Italian article, that I have translated with gogle)

Hundreds of members of the BRITISH scientific community have sent two open letters to the UK Government, expressing strong concern about the approach taken against the spread of Coronavirus in the country. In a letter, 198 academics in mathematics and science called for urgent measures of social distancing, calling the government's strategy of developing herd immunity an option that "does not seem viable". In another letter, 164 behavioural scientists questioned Downing Street's contention that if drastic measures are imposed on the public too soon, they will eventually return to previous behaviour. 

So far the UK government has refused to take social initiatives, such as closing schools or even closing the nation like other European countries, advising self-isolation for anyone showing symptoms of Coronavirus. For the British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, measures against the spread of Coronavirus are useless. To avoid contagion, the development of 'herd immunity' would be sufficient. Herd immunity occurs when a large number of people are immunized and or vaccinated, if there is a vaccine, against an infection. In the case of the current virus there is still no vaccine and when there will be it will be necessary to assess the effectiveness of the vaccine on people. If the vaccine works, all vaccinated people will act as a barrier to the spread of the infection. Boris Johnson's recipe is considered ruthless by many epidemiologists and unable to stem the pandemic. 

Walter Ricciardi, a consultant to the Ministry of Health and a member of the Committee of Civil Protection Experts, points out that without a vaccine immunity is not certain and that in the UK the decision taken in an attempt to block Coronavirus is not ethical. Johnson's exhortation is to listen to his epidemiologists. ""I think we'll see more specific therapy than a vaccine first. It is absolutely unethical to accept that people get sick in order to create an immunity of flocks which is not even safe; because it is a new virus and there are still no scientific confirmations on a lasting immunity after the disease. Those who have been infected could also take it back as far as we know at the moment." Walter Ricciardi, in an interview with Repubblica, specifies how: "Our Government has received all the indications of the scientific community, which the English one is not doing. Yet they have epidemiologists from imperial College London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and a journal like Lancet. They would be top-notch public health advisers who are obviously ignoring them.' The United Kingdom, Ricciardi points out, in this way "runs the risk of being invested more violently than the others and above all can become the area that keeps the infection alive and latent, when others have already managed to contain it. Thus it becomes what no one would want to be considered: the aor of the world." 

He has since appeared to walk back this one at least somewhat.  But this desire of the British administration to be exceptional and cleverer-than-thou, which came to the fore during Brexit too, is indeed strange.  
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