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Posted: October 09 2013 at 09:02
lazland wrote:
^ I am not sure I see the connection. One sang of peace and love, the other was a rather bloodthirsty revolutionary
A revolutionary yes, but was he bloodthirsty ?
As i remember things, he was fighting for the poor people in a region of cruel dictatorship, dictatorships often backed by the US, due to the fact that the US, at that point in time, was totaly blinded by their communist fears.
Making the same political misjudgement in the americas, as they did in Vietnam.
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Posted: October 09 2013 at 09:09
Oh well, that celebration was short lived.
Happy Birthday.
They say it's your birthday It's my birthday too, yeah They say it's your birthday We're gonna have a good time I'm glad it's your birthday Happy birthday to you
Ah Ah Ah Come on Come on
Yes we're going to a party party Yes we're going to a party party Yes we're going to a party party
I would like you to dance (Birthday) Take a cha-cha-cha-chance (Birthday) I would like you to dance (Birthday) Dance yeah
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Posted: October 09 2013 at 09:25
tamijo wrote:
lazland wrote:
^ I am not sure I see the connection. One sang of peace and love, the other was a rather bloodthirsty revolutionary
A revolutionary yes, but was he bloodthirsty ?
As i remember things, he was fighting for the poor people in a region of cruel dictatorship, dictatorships often backed by the US, due to the fact that the US, at that point in time, was totaly blinded by their communist fears.
Making the same political misjudgement in the americas, as they did in Vietnam.
This is a thread about John Lennon. Please stop discussing other people.
edit: meant as a general request, not to pick on tamijo
I remember reading the interview he did with Rolling Stone in 1970(?), back when I was in high school. It literally changed my life. He taught me so much of the music industry and how dreams often get betrayed by the very people who are supposed to look out for them.
His thoughts on war and peace have also influenced me heavily, and regardless of him contradicting himself like there was no tomorrow, I still carry a lot of his words in my heart.
And that's just his words - don't get me started on the music
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Posted: October 09 2013 at 10:18
Guldbamsen wrote:
I remember reading the interview he did with Rolling Stone in 1970(?), back when I was in high school. It literally changed my life. He taught me so much of the music industry and how dreams often get betrayed by the very people who are supposed to look out for them.
His thoughts on war and peace have also influenced me heavily, and regardless of him contradicting himself like there was no tomorrow, I still carry a lot of his words in my heart.
And that's just his words - don't get me started on the music
When I was "researching" the quotes to make the above image I was surprised by some of the things he said until you realise he was John Lennon, a smart-mouthed kid from Liverpool full of ripe British sarcasm and a wickedly sharp wit, this doesn't come across in print. I think the more people took him seriously the more deliberately contradictory he got - it's the Liverpudlian way.
I remember reading the interview he did with Rolling Stone in 1970(?), back when I was in high school. It literally changed my life. He taught me so much of the music industry and how dreams often get betrayed by the very people who are supposed to look out for them.
His thoughts on war and peace have also influenced me heavily, and regardless of him contradicting himself like there was no tomorrow, I still carry a lot of his words in my heart.
And that's just his words - don't get me started on the music
When I was "researching" the quotes to make the above image I was surprised by some of the things he said until you realise he was John Lennon, a smart-mouthed kid from Liverpool full of ripe British sarcasm and a wickedly sharp wit, this doesn't come across in print. I think the more people took him seriously the more deliberately contradictory he got - it's the Liverpudlian way.
Thanks. That explains a lot.....Liverpudlian
I've seen a couple of live interviews with him, and he does seem to have a "knifey" tongue accompanying his words. Then again, after having lived in the insanity that was The Beatles all through the 60s, who can blame him?
He was, and continues to be, a huge inspiration to this Dane.
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Posted: October 09 2013 at 15:15
Very nicely done tribute, Dean.
I love John Lennon's music, and certainly listening to his music and watching documentaries about him has had a big personal impact.
I know this is not about Che, and so sorry to go off-topic in this post: when I saw Che mentioned the first I thought of was the Revolution song. I don't want to talk politics, but there are definite connections to be made. One of the things is simply that Che and John were two of the most iconic personalities of the 20th Century -- had this rock star status, and both were often looked up to by the same people. I think I only have two t-shirts given to me with the images of people -- one is of John Lennon, and the other is Che Guevara. As different as their paths and approaches were (Lennon took on more of a Gandhi approach to resistance, whereas Guevara used violence as a means). Both Che and John had contradictions that make them more fascinating. Both have a certain mystique and have been rather branded, and have evoked a certain mythologization. Both have been adopted by protest movements and radicals, and their images adopted by left-wingers.
Anyway, though i was young, I remember when Lennon was killed, and his life, even when contradictions between action and word, still makes me rather lachrymose.
His personality affected the attitudes of American teenagers and kids. It was so cool when he came into our lives. Remembering all the hilarious comments he made between 64' and 65' on national television and he simply won us over. That film of The Beatles performing in front of the Queen?..."The people in the cheaper seats clap your hands....and if the rest of you just rattle your jewellery." Or when he says to Dusty Springfield on Ready Steady Go..."Let me see your scabs" He truly took American kids out of their depression! We looked up to him as a leader of our youth. That may seem corny to some, but it was inevitable he was to come into our lives and influence us. During Beatlemania...he wrote love songs with some of the strangest twists in the lyrics. He had a very different style of using words that no one in America had ever heard before. And...it stuck with American kids to a extreme point where they would actually quote those lines when they were on a date. Girls and guys both..did this sort of thing in high school with John Lennon songs.
He brought a message to America...where he somehow addressed us to express how we feel! We weren't doing that in school because it felt forbidden, but John Lennon was Rock n' Roll, carried a proud and outspoken attitude that taught American kids to not be afraid of life. It felt good not being afraid of the teacher, the principal, the adults ..whatever? That is what he taught us and his songs influenced us to follow that path..for real! He changed the American environment. He was truly great!
When he died...I was 24 years old, driving in the rain , heard the announcement and had racing thoughts of the first time I saw him on the Ed Sullivian Show. In my mind..he was bopping his knees up and down (as he often did) and dressed in a suit. And then all his songs raced through my mind until I arrived at the band house where everyone was crying. They couldn't understand! Some of us were in denial. Everyone was remembering what he meant to us all and all at the same time! It was like a electrical shock and felt as if someone of great importance had been taken away from us without warning...and so everyone cried and cried endlessly that day. Most people in America loved him and so it was like a rip in each one of their hearts.
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lazland wrote:
Happy birthday John!!!