Encores: An Extinct Idea |
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~Rael~
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Topic: Encores: An Extinct Idea Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:23 |
I go to a good amount of concerts, almost all of which are with my father, who is in his 50s. These concerts are all kinds, ranging from jazz, to 70s prog (Yes, Kansas), and pretty heavy metal (Opeth, Mudvayne, Lamb of God), and almost every concert he comments on how people just don't cheer for an encores anymore. That Mars Volta concert was the latest example. After the band walked off, people cheered for a little bit, but then people quit. My dad always gets angry, wanting people to cheer and stay. It never happens. He always reminesces about the old days, when people would stay and cheer for twenty, maybe even thirty minutes until the band would come back out. Now it never happens.
What do you guys think? Does the encore exist anywhere anymore? |
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:26 |
People simply do not have the time to cheer for an encore these days.
They must hurry home to download the torrent for the latest Porcupine Tree album. |
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:26 |
Deep Purple is a prime example, that encores still exist.
Edited by The Quiet One - September 11 2009 at 17:33 |
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Raff
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:30 |
I have been to quite a few concerts lately, and there have always been encores. In Judas Priest's case, there were three of them, just like when we saw PFM at NEARFest. Perhaps it is more of a trend for newer bands to skip encores altogether... In my own experience, encores have always been the rule, rather than the exception.
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~Rael~
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 247 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:33 |
Okay, but I'm not talking about intermissions. I've been to plenty of concerts where the band walks off for a break and comes back out to play, because it was planned all along. I'm talking about when a band is done, the lights come on, and people cheer until the band comes back; basically, it is not planned.
I'm sure true encores occur a lot more with concerts of older bands. |
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:35 |
Or go to their local CD store which is already selling it! I don't think genuine encores are common anymore, but planned encores seem the hot-topic at the few small concerts I attend... |
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Kestrel
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 18 2008 Location: Minnesota Status: Offline Points: 512 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:37 |
I've never been to a concert without an encore. Weird.
In fact, I thought the thread was going to be about how encores are planned into the program... |
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J-Man
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 07 2008 Location: Philadelphia,PA Status: Offline Points: 7826 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:38 |
When I saw Yes w/ Asia they did an awesome version of Starship Trooper as their encore. Not all bands are like that. The Mars Volta are just (if truth be told) a horrible live band
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progkidjoel
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 02 2009 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 19643 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:40 |
SCABDATES is the perfect evidence of that |
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Dean
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:43 |
I've noticed that too - I can remember calling bands back on stage until they'd run out of songs to play on several occasions (Pink Floyd @ Wembley). Other times I've been present when bands have had 20 minute standing ovations (Enid @ Hammersmith Odeon).
The planned (or staged) encore was part of the set-lists for gigs for many years, but I think everyone knew it was pretending to end for applause - maybe now a days theyare just being honest. In London at least I think the 11 o'clock curfew set by the last Tube train back to civilisation has put a stop to unplanned encores.
"My but you're heaven but I never do encores, I think it's pretentious, pretending to end for applause" - Time To Dream (Greenslade)
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Abstrakt
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 18 2005 Location: Soundgarden Status: Offline Points: 18292 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:44 |
There have been encores at pretty much every concert i've been to, except for festival concerts
The most awesome encore i've seen/heard was when Zappa plays Zappa played "Willie the Pimp" right after "Bobby Brown". Damn, that song rocked my socks off! |
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Hercules
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:48 |
Every time I go to see Runrig, the crowd shout pretty long and loud till the band come back. If they didn't come back at least twice, there'd be a riot. Also, Mostly Autumn always get cheered long and loud.]
Maybe it's just that they're amazing live bands, unlike say The Mars Volta. |
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 17:55 |
by the mid-80s it seemed the encore had become de rigueur, usually built into a band's set list as a part of the show..lost some of the spontaneity but everyone expected at least two substantial encores
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King Crimson776
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 18:06 |
Yeah I saw the same tour and they played Starship Trooper at the end, pretty awesome, but they never played Close to the Edge. Ah well.
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paulwalker71
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 18:29 |
Well, I've been going to concerts for many years and I don't ever remember having to cheer for anything like 20 minutes to get a band back on
The first encore is usually something that happens pretty well automatically. Sometimes the band hardly even bother to go off stage! Admitedly the second encore usually needs a bit more audience effort...but not 20-30 minutes... |
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Plankowner
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 19:31 |
For the encore idea to work properly bands have to snub some audiences that don't cheer loud enough...
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JROCHA
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 18 2007 Location: Oakland, KS Status: Offline Points: 1501 |
Posted: September 11 2009 at 21:37 |
Encores That I have seen:
Rush ISIS Mastodon Porcupine Tree The Encore still exists today.........and The Mars Volta are a amazing live band, I dont know what the hell you people are talking about! |
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 21:58 |
Just about every rock concert I've attended has had encores (as well as every live album or DVD), I've always hade the idea that people just take encores for granted, and that the bands do actually have their encores planned as part of the concert. The only concert I've attended without an encore was Rick Wakeman 6 wive concert this year. And the only live album I know about that has no encore is Pink Floyd's The Wall.
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Plankowner
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 22:11 |
What he is referring to I believe the idea is different than it used to be... now its more like an obligatory intermission instead of a "true" encore.. in the past the bands used to HAVE to come back out because the crowds would not disperse until they did... Was a different thing than it is today..
Guess the closest thing today would be a "double" encore .. If the band comes out a second time, I would think this would be closer to the old days.. Edited by Plankowner - September 11 2009 at 22:14 |
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 11 2009 at 22:39 |
I guess then, that "true" encores were lost because fans start asking for the band to come back, and the band comes back, then the fans start to expect the band to come back, then the band has no option but to come back, and then, since the band knows before the concert that the fans will ask them to come back, and that they will come back, well, they rather plan the encore.
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