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activetopics
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Topic: Why do Indie bands consider themselves pr Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:20 |
I was browsing Myspace music for progressive bands and what came up with was frightening; many of the bands were emo, indie, punk, or a combination of the three (as if there were a difference). My question to everybody out there is, how in the Hell do these idiots consider their music to be in the progressive vein at ALL?! It all sounds the same...
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activetopics
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:22 |
Disclaimer: I am aware of the lack of credibility of Myspace's music section as a source for new music.
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:25 |
Well, indie is not s genre but more of a musical movement that has plenty of great prog in it, such as all post rock is indie and a good chunk of modern art rock, so that's understandable. Dunno about punks and emos though.
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:26 |
I believe it's a matter of networking. The more genres you assign to your band's music, the more myspace users you can get in touch with, based on their expressed preferences. Or something like that. (I'm just guessing anyway).
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:27 |
Because either they 1) don't know what it means, but think it sounds cool 2) vaguely know what it means and want to be coined with a complex genre 3) know exactly what it means and think a lot of themselves.....or 4) and they generally are progressive, but not wholly...that last is exceedingly rare.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:28 |
andu wrote:
I believe it's a matter of networking. The more genres you assign to your band's music, the more myspace users you can get in touch with, based on their expressed preferences. Or something like that. (I'm just guessing anyway).
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You are limited to 3 genres, and most people do have 3, but the question is why do they chose prog when they could choose something more popular like pop or rock....(though, those could easily be the other 2)
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:30 |
The Miracle wrote:
Well, indie is not s genre but more of a musical movement that has plenty of great prog in it, such as all post rock is indie and a good chunk of modern art rock, so that's understandable. Dunno about punks and emos though. |
Very close to what I said before my internet messed up.
Many modern prog bands can slip right in to the indie genre because it's so loosely defined (if at all). Prog bands like dredg, Oceansize, and even The Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree can be considered indie. Anyway, if there is a genre that is most likely to have some influence from progressive rock, it has to be indie. They share a creative and artistic attitude about their music, even if it's much more simple.
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Ty1020
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 21:58 |
Lots of bands on Myspace don't know what they're talking about. That would explain the emo bands, at least.
On the other hand, many bands classified as "indie" (I hate using that
as a genre name, just for the record) exhibit a LOT of progressive
elements and could most definitely be considered at least partially
progressive. In addition to the aforementioned Dredg, Oceansize, and
The Mars Volta, just take a look at Broken Social Scene (or one of
their many offshoots like Apostle of Hustle), The Flaming Lips, The
Arcade Fire, Don Caballero, The Decemberists, Neutral Milk Hotel,
Sufjan Stevens... the list goes on, but you get the point. Many of
those bands are actually included on this site despite the fact that
they would generally be classified as "indie" before the word "prog"
would ever be mentioned, and the rest could very well fit in here as
well.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 22:02 |
I know what you mean...there just bands that suck and just try to be different....plain and simple.
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Leningrad
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 23:05 |
Indie sucks, the end.
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reality
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 23:05 |
activetopics wrote:
I was browsing Myspace music for progressive bands and what came up with was frightening; many of the bands were emo, indie, punk, or a combination of the three (as if there were a difference). My question to everybody out there is, how in the Hell do these idiots consider their music to be in the progressive vein at ALL?! It all sounds the same... |
Do you care that much about corporate labels? Does a punk band that progresses punk qualify as progressive? If it was in the original purpose of the term very much so. The term has changed though from a description of a movement to an elitist badge of honer that sites one form of "progression" as best and disregaurds the rest.
Nobody is realy sure what progressive actualy means as it is tailored to fit the users agenda. What makes it worse is is not a very good term to describe a genre (not to mention it is historically inconsistent with how we traditionally describe genres of music).
If you take just the progressive rock era, yes there were a lot of bands that did "progress" rock; yet there were many others (or even the same bands) that "regressed" rock in what others view as more important areas. Some "prog" bands were really emotionaly infintile compared to bands in other genres. Why is not singer/songwriter rock progressive as they progressed lyrical depth and conceptual depth beyond anything in rock before. Like I said though it is a bad term, and very subjective to boot.
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 23:21 |
The easy answer is that myspace's given genres dont give you many choices, and the ones they do, nobody uses-- so it's quite difficult to describe a post-rock band for instance, and the band may end up using the term "progressive"
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 23:23 |
unicorn coffee wrote:
The easy answer is that myspace's given genres dont give you many choices, and the ones they do, nobody uses-- so it's quite difficult to describe a post-rock band for instance, and the band may end up using the term "progressive" |
But post-rock is progressive, why not.
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:38 |
Chameleon wrote:
Indie sucks, the end. |
I'm going to have to agree with this man!
It seems indie is a musical idea made by a bunch of brats to look to calll to have any music label.
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The T
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:44 |
remember that prog-rock = good rock is a FALSE statement... prog-rock is just some... special kind of rock (there are like 1089474899 threads about what prog-rock is so I won't start another one).
So if indie bands call themselves prog-rock... well, they're trying to get a name for themselves not only for being unknown but also for being "different" or special.... anyway, that doesn't mean most indie bands do not suck.... indie=bad is also a FALSE statement, but one wonders why so many great bands get so lost in the underground... maybe nobody who ever listened to them thought they were good?
indie=unknown, that's more of a true statement.
some indie bands are prog, some prog bands are good, there's no way to condlude that some indie bands are good.
Now I'm lost....
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:46 |
The T wrote:
remember that prog-rock = good rock is a FALSE statement... prog-rock is just some... special kind of rock (there are like 1089474899 threads about what prog-rock is so I won't start another one).
So if indie bands call themselves prog-rock... well, they're trying to get a name for themselves not only for being unknown but also for being "different" or special.... anyway, that doesn't mean most indie bands do not suck.... indie=bad is also a FALSE statement, but one wonders why so many great bands get so lost in the underground... maybe nobody who ever listened to them thought they were good?
indie=unknown, that's more of a true statement.
some indie bands are prog, some prog bands are good, there's no way to condlude that some indie bands are good.
Now I'm lost.... |
I read the last line at the exact same time in Inertiatic ESP where he sings the chorus
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:49 |
What I don't understand is why a band would want to mislabel themselves. To draw on other audiences? Which audiences are gonna be interested in something they don't care for and were duped into listening to..?
Edited by Atavachron - August 10 2007 at 00:50
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The T
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:56 |
I guess lack of identity.... or trying to catch fans from pools that are usually open....
I'd say the lack of a true prog-definition also helps.... as "prog" is such a loose term (so loose that maybe some emo bands will get added here), then it's not much of a problem to a band that plays, say, "weird" music (to use a word) to call themselves "prog".... what's the reference? genesis? Yes? Those are the progressive-rock monsters of old... but today is different.... It would be completely different to try to label your band like a more well-defined ganre... say, to call your power metal band "death metal" when it's very easy to detect the elements of what makes a band death metal.... if Coheed and Cambria were "indie" and in their website they wrote "we play jazz-rock", people would laugh... if they wrote "we play prog", people would buy that....
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 01:01 |
Easy, Radiohead had huge success among Indie/alternative fans and Progheads (they have elements of both even when IMHO barely Prog), Coldplay (with less arguments) is considered Prog by some people, so why not follow a succesful formula and double your potential audience?
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 10 2007 at 01:03
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The T
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 01:06 |
And we'll help when we add some bands to these website.... as we're so respected in the prog realm, it will be easy for indie bands that sound barely similar to others lited here to say "hey! we sound somewhat like band X, they're in PA, hence we're true prog rockers!"
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