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    Posted: October 19 2006 at 06:15

Welcome all to a new   thread dedicated to my favourite genre Jazz-Rock. Upcoming features will be a commented discography of the ‘Electric Miles Davis Period’ (1967-1975) and  the jazzier side of ‘Canterbury’ among other topics. I hope that lots of you will participate to keep this thread alive. I’ll start with two of my recent  discoveries.:

 

 

 

I haven't heard of  ‘Min Bul’ until lately,  when the name of Terje Rypdal on the cover draw my attention’Min Bul’ was formed in 1970 by Terje Rypdal (guitar, soprano sax), Bjornar Andresen (Bass) and Espen Rud (drums) and released their only selfnamed record in 1970. The record was re-released last year by Universal/ Norway and is IMO a major re-release!

In 1969 Terje Rypdal took part at the famous 'Baden-Baden Free Jazz Meeting', and the same year John Mc Laughlin released 'Extrapolation' which has similarities to the record and obviously influenced Terje Rypdal. Both records have the same instrumentation (TR overdubbs on soprano sax) a mixture of Free Jazz, Avant Garde and Jazz Rock. Some of the tracks are very Free and might not be everyone's cup of tea, but the more 'composed' tracks, often build around a ostinato bass line are fantastic, my favourite tracks  are 'Champagne Of Course' and 'Strange Beauty'.The recording is excellent : Oslo must be with New York among the citys with the highest level of recording quality. ‘Min Bul’ is together with 'Extrapolation' and the early Larry Corryel records a major guitar oriented Avant Jazz Rock record.

 
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 PSI was a German band I who released in 1977  'Horizonte' a fantastic Jazz Rock record on the small Bellaphon label.  The record can be ranged between the first 'Return To Forever and Billy Cobham's 'Spectrum'. All compositions are by keyboarder Mathias Frey, who is obviously influenced by Chick Corea. The compositions are all great and alternate moody athmospheres for  Fender Rhodes and Sax and breathtaking polyrhythmic passages with either unisono sections or short very interesting solos. There is not one weak moment on the whole record, IMO one of the best Jazz Rock records of the 70's.

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I was a fan of the genre in the early 80's while in high school.  Had a chance to see Weather Report and Spryo Gyra in concert.  I loved Jean-Luc Ponty and Al Di Meola.  I stopped listening to all of the Jazz Fusion stuff though until recently.  A few months back, I picked up two albums by Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mountain Flame and Birds of Fire.  One word - INCREDIBLE!  Another rediscovered favorite is Brand X (now have about 4 or 5 of their albums).

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Good Thread, Martin! the Psi album sounds good.

Rushaholic, you should try the "world" side of fusion, with excellent bands such as Collin Walcott, Codona, Oregon, Steve Tibbetts. All essential american artists!




    

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Thanx for the encouraging start Rush and OlivierClap 
There is still an interesting Jazz-Rock Fusion scene nowadays. Tonight I am going to see the Fench Band 'Forgas Band Phenomena' which plays an  excellent 'Canterbury 'influenced Jazz-Rock. Interesting artists you mentionned Olivier, other good  bands/musicians  on the world Fusion side : 'Ralph Towner' (Oregon member), 'Shadwofax' , 'Montreux'.
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Yes, Ralph Towner is excellent, along with Larry Corryel, who sill does good things today.
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Jazz rock is one of my favorite genres.

My favorites are: Weather report, Soft machine (3,4,5), Billy Cobham (Spectrum, Crosswinds), Mahavishnu orchestra, Passport, Brand X, Jaco Pastorius, Larry Coryell, National health, Jeff Beck, Zappa, Deodato, Miles Davis, John Mclauglin (Electric guitarist, Extrapolation), Brufford, Herbie Hancock (Headhunters, Man child), Return to forever (No mystery, Hymn of seventh galaxy, Where have I known you before),.......

I didn't heard the bands that you mentioned but looking forward to discuss more in this tread



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As far as jazzrock goes as a hole, some of it i like, some of it i dont. Miles Davis was really good when he first went electric but by the mid 70s, he just went too funk. I love Soft Machine and The National Health (2 of my favourite bands) and 'Tenemos Roads' is in my mind the greatest peice of music ever written although i always concidered those two to have too many classical influences as to be classed as 'jazzrock'. Infact when soft machine did become a proper jazzrock band (1973-1984) is when i loose interest with them. 
 
Theres some weird jazz-rock stuff going on in England at the moment. 'acoustic ladyland' may well be one of the loudest jazzbands ever and Fullborn Taversham are simmilar but more avant-garde. 
 But at the moment the best jazzrock band around has to be 'Machine and the synergetic nuts' from Japan. they are excellent     
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any love here for Travelling, Nucleus, Aera, Missus Beastly, Secret Oyster, Herbie Hancock, Solution, Archimedes Badkar, Booker T & the MG's, Dixie Dregs, SBB, Axis, Maneige or Area?
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up till now i had the occasion the listen to weather report, brand x, return to forever and chick corea, a few mclaughlin, jonas helborg, some electronic steve tibbets, erskine&ponty... and now i know there's so much more to listen to. GREAT MUSIC!
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could anyone state & explain the difference between jazzrock and fusion? is there any? but please explain, don't just give examples.
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Please tell me why this thread has been moved in non prog music, while Jazzrock is one of the main styles defined on progarchives.com??


    

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I absolutely love this album. By concept, brilliant. By performance, eclectic. By sensation, acutely breathtaking here and there.

I also consider it progressive. Perhaps Corea isn't entirely an adequate Jazz-Rock artist, but some things he made have the great prog impulse. (relative)
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I got into Jazzrock/Fusion a few months ago.
My favourite bands are Mahavishnu Orchestra, Gong (76-78) and Weather Report.
I also like what i've heard of Bruford, Return To Forever and Stanley Clarke.
Awesome genre, and my grandpa has alot of jazzrock cd's!
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


Please tell me why this thread has been moved in non prog music, while Jazzrock is one of the main styles defined on progarchives.com??

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Stanley Clarke's first four albums are ESSENTIAL jazz-rock.
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Originally posted by Rutgers Joe Rutgers Joe wrote:

Stanley Clarke's first four albums are ESSENTIAL jazz-rock.


Do the four include include Clarke's first album: Children of Forever Wink - several band's second albums are in fact the eponymously titled ones : BST and Chicago
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Good thread Martin Thumbs Up
 
I am ready to learn about new musicians and bands here; my notebook is open...
 
I just want to mention a recent band I bought a cd of - Boud Deun and the album is Astronomy Made Easy - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=45
Very dynamic fusion (with extras). Too bad the band broke up.
 
Also, I am not sure this is "pure" jazz rock, but I am enjoying immensely a band you added here - Cerebus Effect. http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=2559  I shall review it in the coming weeks when I have time.
 
 


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Jazz-Rock is one of my favorite genres. My fav jazz-rock bands are Brand X, Dixie Dregs, Bruford, Gong and RTF.
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


Please tell me why this thread has been moved in non prog music, while Jazzrock is one of the main styles defined on progarchives.com??


    
 
We need to be even handed here. Other threads about bands and styles which individuals believe to be prog get moved because they are not listed on the site.
 
From the early discussions here, Miles Davis, Stanley Carke, Min Bul etc., are not (yet?) listed. If they were, they would probably be prog related.
 
There is a clear distinction between jazz rock as a genre of music, and jazz rock/fusion as a sub-genre of prog. We need to be clear what it is intended be discussed here. If it is bands who fall within the sub-genre of prog, the thread goes here. If it is about the much wider genre which encompasses bands such as BS&T, Chicago, etc., and styles such as Trad jazz with a rock crossover, then non-prog is the right section.
 
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Its the only album thus far in my life that I can honestly say if perfect. However, IMO the best album of all time is () by Sigur ros. I dont think its perfect, but its so close, and its in perfections make it better than IMF.

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