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TheLamb 
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 Topic: DT have embarrassingly terrible lyrics?
Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:25 |
I think so. As much as I love this band, their lyrics is just sad. Often poorly written and ussualy carry themes you would expect a 13 year-old that thinks he knows things about the world to write about, not mature people.
Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree give us an example of some good lyrics! If you agree give us an example of embaressing lyrics 
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:32 |
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Meh, some of them are poor, but some of them are really good. I really don't feel like digging up some examples right now.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:34 |
Disagree!
Portnoy and Petrucci write great, deep and intelligent lyrics... Not as awesome as some other bands do, but still not terribly embarrassing. 2 bad LaBrie doesn't contribute much.... I really liked the lyrics for Sacrificed Sons...
What songs do you mean in particular, Lamb?
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:36 |
 Moatilliatta wrote:
Meh, some of them are poor, but some of them are really good. I really don't feel like digging up some examples right now. |
I'm of the same opinion
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En_Schizophren
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:38 |
That is basically the reason I don't like them. Too cheesy
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Hemispheres
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:45 |
I Dont really like them that much anymore but when i did me and my friend always thought that the music was great but james labrie destroyed some of the sound and made fun of him we considered shooting him at the show but we thought that would be a little violent (jk)
I think they are to A.O.R influenced
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Man Overboard
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:47 |
Dream Theater actually write fairly good lyrics. Better than 99%
of power metal, and probably mid-range as far as neo-prog goes.
However, almost any band under the sun has embarrassing lyrics next to, say, Fish-era Marillion.
John Myung wrote a -great- song about HIV... here's a bit from Learning To Live:
Once again we dance in the
crowd
At times a step away
From a common fear that's all
spread out
It won't listen to what you say
Once you're touched you stand
alone
To face the bitter fight
Once I reached for love
And now I reach for life
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TheLamb
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:53 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Disagree!
Portnoy and Petrucci write great, deep and intelligent lyrics... Not as awesome as some other bands do, but still not terribly embarrassing. 2 bad LaBrie doesn't contribute much.... I really liked the lyrics for Sacrificed Sons...
What songs do you mean in particular, Lamb?
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A Change of Seasons has good lyrics, in my opinion, the rest are just terrible. Train of Thought - Everything is bad, Octavarium - Almost everything is bad, Awake - Some nice parts but still mostly bad, Falling into infinity - everything is bad, Images - some slightly OK parts, but alot of crap.... it goes on and on for me. I just really don't pay much attention to lyrics ussualy but their lyrics is so annoying, it just caught my attention. Makes me regret I ever read the booklet :\
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 17:57 |
TheLamb wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
Disagree!
Portnoy and Petrucci write great, deep and intelligent lyrics... Not as awesome as some other bands do, but still not terribly embarrassing. 2 bad LaBrie doesn't contribute much.... I really liked the lyrics for Sacrificed Sons...
What songs do you mean in particular, Lamb?
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A Change of Seasons has good lyrics, in my opinion, the rest are just terrible. Train of Thought - Everything is bad, Octavarium - Almost everything is bad, Awake - Some nice parts but still mostly bad, Falling into infinity - everything is bad, Images - some slightly OK parts, but alot of crap.... it goes on and on for me. I just really don't pay much attention to lyrics ussualy but their lyrics is so annoying, it just caught my attention. Makes me regret I ever read the booklet :\
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My advice to you: Grow up. Maybe someday you'll be able to participate in discussions for grown up people - or understand clever lyrics.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:51 |
study flower kings lyrics before you go on about dt making bad lyrics 
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Man Overboard
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 18:52 |
Yeah, screw you Lindsay. TFK have brilliant lyrics, they're just... filtered through not speaking English as a native language.
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 19:50 |
Some are pretty cheesy, mostly in Sfam. But Kevin Moore was a brilliant writer, John Myung was incredible. And Petrucc and Port are great as well.
They are deffinatly not as bad as other bands.
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
-Stone Beard
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King of Loss
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 19:56 |
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 21:01 |
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I don't find them bad at all, except for some bad lyrics here and there, but that counts for every band.
And I can't find bad lyrics in Octavarium either (except i walk beside
you).Panic atack and Sacrificed sons are good ones to name a few.
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 21:06 |
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Read the lyrics to Scenes From a Memory... need I say more?
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CaincelaOreinim
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 21:44 |
Agree 100% on both The Flower Kings and Dream Theater lyric front. Both of them have no excuse and write some of the silliest lyrics I've ever had the pleasure of listening to - regardless, I do like and am a fan of both bands.
(The Flower Kings by the way, if you investigate matters of education in Sweden, learn English as their first language, native subsequent - feel free to disagree as I'm pretty sure this is the case...)
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Man Overboard
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 21:52 |
I'm sure English is primary in Sweden -now-, but with Roine, the
primary lyricist, approaching 50... and the first 20 or so years
of his music being exclusively Swedish... I'd say that English is
in fact his second language. Oh snap? 
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 22:17 |
I always enjoyed Kevin Moore's lyrics though I think he improved when he left but the rest of the band are just bad:
"Curled up in the darkness
Searching for the light
The smell of sweat and sh*t
Steaming through the night
Random urine testing
Pills red, pink and blue
Counselling and therapy
Providing not a clue"
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The Ryan
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 22:48 |
Man Overboard wrote:
I'm sure English is primary in Sweden -now-, but with Roine, the primary lyricist, approaching 50... and the first 20 or so years of his music being exclusively Swedish... I'd say that English is in fact his second language. Oh snap? |
I don't see how having English as a second language excuses anything... Oh well, I like the Flower Kings lyrics a lot anyways, I also believe some people are just too 'incoherent' themselves to understand. At least the Flower Kings aren't strung out on negativity like the rest of the world, that gets awfully repetitive.
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King of Loss
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Posted: January 13 2006 at 22:55 |
The Ryan wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
I'm sure English is primary in Sweden -now-, but with Roine, the primary lyricist, approaching 50... and the first 20 or so years of his music being exclusively Swedish... I'd say that English is in fact his second language. Oh snap? |
I don't see how having English as a second language excuses anything... Oh well, I like the Flower Kings lyrics a lot anyways, I also believe some people are just too 'incoherent' themselves to understand. At least the Flower Kings aren't strung out on negativity like the rest of the world, that gets awfully repetitive.
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Totally agreed! Listening to something like the Flower Kings and Spock's Beard really gets me happy! 
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DT have embarrassingly terrible lyrics?
